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gnosis92 · 12-14-2008, 08:13 PM

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So then the author first wrote Gjohn then wrote 1-3 john in that order, in response to some feedback he got from gjohn

A theory is that 1 John was written in response to some kind of feedback from gJohn.
2 and 3 John are letters in their own right, apparantly from a certain presbyter. I dunno if its possible to establish in what order 1-3 John were written.

Epistle of John has the famous verse about the anti-christs being those who deny jesus has come in the flesh. This has been understood as a swipe against doceticism, but MJ'ers of course claim this as support for their view.

If John's letters were written as a kind of feedback, I wonder if some denied a HJ in favor of MJ.

Cesc · 12-15-2008, 05:19 AM

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Epistle of John has the famous verse about the anti-christs being those who deny jesus has come in the flesh. This has been understood as a swipe against doceticism, but MJ'ers of course claim this as support for their view.

If John's letters were written as a kind of feedback, I wonder if some denied a HJ in favor of MJ.

Yes, "the Word was made flesh" from gJohn was apparantly considered to be symbolic by docetics, and so 1 John seems to underline the view that Jesus' body was indeed flesh (for example 1 John 1:1, "our hands have touched")

As for a HJ or a MJ, depends on how you define MJ, I guess. If docetics believed there had been a Jesus, but that he had been merely an illusion, would that be a MJ or a HJ to them?

Ben C Smith · 12-15-2008, 07:20 AM

I have a link on my Johannine epistles page to an intriguing article by Robert M. Price on 3 John. He proposes that the three epistles were written in the reverse of their canonical order.

The article is short, and is an interesting read.

Ben.

gnosis92 · 12-15-2008, 09:47 PM

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I have a link on my Johannine epistles page to an intriguing article by Robert M. Price on 3 John. He proposes that the three epistles were written in the reverse of their canonical order.

The article is short, and is an interesting read.

Ben.

thanks

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Ben C Smith Veteran Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Midwest Posts: 4,787	I have a link on my Johannine epistles page to an intriguing article by Robert M. Price on 3 John. He proposes that the three epistles were written in the reverse of their canonical order. The article is short, and is an interesting read. Ben.

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