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ughaibu · 06-30-2007, 06:07 AM

Does Plantinga get mobbed by teenage groupies when he's on tour?
I'm a bit puzzled about his popularity base. Donnie Osmond was a mormon or something, no?

Cheerful Charlie · 06-30-2007, 06:42 AM

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I agree with you. Naturalism is not specifically opposed to Christianity, or whatever God Plantinga has in mind. Naturalism excludes the existence of all gods, including those gods for which P (R/G)<0.5. So, G would actually be a collective hypothesis (more correct, a conjunction of hypotheses). The supernaturalist hypothesis is satisfied by any god, without any preference for some "reliabilistic" God. And given these hypotheses it is not at all warranted that P(R/G) >0.5.

Exactly, it's not naturalism vs. Christianity, but naturalism vs. supernaturalism.

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Secondly, if our faculties are indeed unreliable (this is a matter of fact), this would count as an evidence against G, since under Plantinga's G we would expect our faculties to be reliable.

Yes, I also think this is fact speaking against Plantinga's G. He tries to explain it away by sin (which seems to be kind of a universal solution to things we wouldn't expect under the G hypothesis), but isn't very successful IMHO.

A lot of people claim it is, unfortunately. And people who want some theologian to deal with these arguments often are not so careful about looking closely at the answers given before accepting that a true and useful answer has been given to those naughty atheists. So he is probably successful on an apologist's basis.

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ughaibu Banned Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Japan Posts: 8,492	Does Plantinga get mobbed by teenage groupies when he's on tour? I'm a bit puzzled about his popularity base. Donnie Osmond was a mormon or something, no?

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