TedM

No. I said it is the proper position if one has to KNOW. That's just by definition though aa because no one KNOWS, and agnosticism admits ignorance.

Once one accepts that he doesn't know, then he can remain that way forever, or can decide to speculate and possibly make some reasonable choices in BELIEF.

outhouse

Faith is the word you were looking for not belief.





what a ignorant statement


prisons are full of theist

outhouse

Only in your make believe fantasy afterlife, after you have perverted the original mythology to fit your needs.

Sheshbazzar

One can make reasonable claims, one can make unreasonable claims, one can make up any kind of jackass claims the human mind can invent,
(as they do, and always have) But all of these 'claims' and speculations all have exactly same value. NONE.

Just because something 'could' have happened, or is believed by speculation to be 'possible' or even 'likely' to have happened, is absolutely NO evidence at all, that such thing ever DID in fact happen in the manner speculated or theorized.

The old erroneous 'court' canard, and false analogy yet again.

This is NOT a Court of Law. and NO session of 'court' has been convened.
No trial has been 'admitted' to the Docket nor undertaken.

There are NO recognized nor authorized judge or judges in place, to either 'sustain' or 'overrule',
or to 'judge' the 'admissibility' or 'inadmissibility' or the 'credibility' of any 'testimony' presented,
Nor to render any legally binding 'decisions' or 'rulings' on any of the matters in dispute.

No witnesses have been 'subpoenaed'. And none can be. Any that may possibly have ever lived, have now been dead for thousands of years.
And nothing being presented 'in their names' can be demonstrated not to have been produced through an advantageous forgery.

Thus this 'case' has nothing in common with the just and recognized rules of justice and of just legal procedures employed among civilized and impartial men.

To even admit any such a flaky and invalid 'case' into a Court of Law would violate, and insult the very principals upon which both Justice and Law are founded.

Only a blatantly unjust and illegal 'kangaroo court' would ever attempt to call, or to conduct a 'trial' in such manner.
You know, like a religious 'Court of Law', an oxymoron if there ever was one.




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TedM

Another irrelevant observation on your part. What I meant was not that theists are superior to atheists, but that the idea that if we agree that moral values are 'good' for human beings, then the threat of punishment for those that don't follow them is also 'good'. Since humans don't always succeed at enforcing the punishment, and our theoretical Supreme Being can, the theist position is more effective, and more 'good', ie its a superior process.

TedM

We 'know' many things without corroborative evidence. There seems to exist a nearly pathological requirement of proof and evidence among atheists--to the degree to which they won't entertain reasonable speculations on which to form conclusions. Its as if you are deathly afraid of being wrong. So what if you are wrong? Is it really going to be the end of the world for you if God happens to exist?


I appear to have hit a sore spot. Why you appear to have this need to show how life isn't a court of law is beyond me. Courts exist in order to form conclusions that are reasonable based on the available evidence. We do that every day in our daily lives. Why should our approach to our very existence and the meaning of life not be approached in the same manner?

outhouse

another false analogy


theist nonsense, the prison population says it is not a superiot proccess.

Toto

Courts exist to reach a decision when a decision needs to be made. We all hope it will be a reasonable decision, but we know in fact that attorneys have become expert in presenting an emotional case with a veneer of rationality. The results are often unsatisfactory.

aa5874

Again, you present contradictions. Agnosticism signifies lack of knowledge.


Speculations are NOT reasonable and are NOT based on facts.

Please, your posts are just a load of BS.

It is highly illogical to expect reasonable choices in the Belief of the Unknown.

Sheshbazzar

I am not an atheist. I have never been an atheist. I just don't believe or accept Christianities contrived mythological horse shit, or their imaginary flying zombie Jebus God, their holy spook, or the speculative horse shit conclusions that Christianity peddles.

The litany of evils, wars, and unparalleled human suffering that the Christian church with its insane teachings has instigated and conducted, and the masses of forged documents and artifacts that the Christian church has produced are all evidence of the moral and ethical bankruptcy of its members, and of the depravity of anyone who knowing of this bloody history of being ran by murderers, thieves, and con-me, would still join themselves to this insane death cult, or born into it, choose to remain, endorse, and to continue to support this blight upon the face of the earth.
The 'court' analogy is a sore spot. It has been misused and abused repeatedly on these Forums by zombie Jebus Christian death cult advocates.