Dark Knight Bob

Wouldn't it be simpler to just go out and ask the guy exactly what he meant rather than getting other people to interpret what he meant?

Actually with experiments with lucid dreaming they showed that time perception during a dream is the same as whilst awake. It is merely the fact that events during dreams are often made up of short intervals that the brain fills in when you wake up to give the appearance of a longer dream. Or the opposite effect being that you have short realtime dreams but you don't remember the events between because there were none. you were not concious of them or did not remember them (so effectively they didn't happen)

There's brain activity during sleep. In death brain activity stops completely. So even any non-concious processes would be non-existant. And in sleep non-concious processes are linked to conciousness so it follows that there is a differance.

Viti

No, the statement is correct. Our brains are hard at work in our sleep filing events and memories from the day. Even if you are not conscious of these workings they are happening. Not so after death. You awaken after sleep or have the chance to awaken. Again, you cannot wake up from dead.

That is because we assume (usually correctly) that we will wake up tomorrow.

As we discussed in one of your other threads, you seem to require this sleep simile to feel good. That doesn't make the comparison correct.

socratoad

Such semantic exercises drive me up the wall. Does that person in his mind's eye see death as a sort of sweet endless head-on-the-pillow, sweet-little-smile-upon-the-lips state of being? Its a state of non-being, a state of nothingness.

Such silly analogies reminds me of the petulant musings of an immature child who contemplates suicide because they wish to observe just how sorry others will be because they are gone.

Words are indeed powerful, but not so powerful that they can alter, or even mitigate reality.

Emp-JohnIV

[QUOTE=LSHAFC2004]Your last 3 words show why you 'know' you are right. Scientific fact is why I know that your opinion is incorrect.

Also for the purpose of humor I will play with your wild guess. If there is no activity during sleep then at the time that you are asleep it does not matter if you have ever existed or not. Before you are born, wail you sleep and after you die your existance in space time is irrelivent to you.

LSHAFC2004

I urge you to search it on the internet. Type:death, dreamless sleep in a search engine. You will find info from socartus, empiricus, Keith Augustine and many others. Some the greatest minds in the world. No my existence in spacetime will always be relevant to me, even when I am dead. Even though I may be dead and unaware of my life,it is relevant because in spacetime I lived a life and enjoyed a life. This will always remain in the fabric of spacetime.At the end of the day, it is far better to of lived a full day, than to of not lived a day at all. In sleep there is no difference between the two but the sentimentle value of it is still there. We live each day to the full even though each night in sleep there is no difference because its the value of the day and the fact that whether we know it or not, we are sleeping after the day makes it always valuable. Not sleeping after never living a day is a FAR different thing and will never have any value. Also there is no time for us in non-existence so there is no time me when it is irrelevent. So your statement, it is irrelevent to me is wrong, because there is no me for whom it is irrelevent. Apart from brainwaves(which are irrlevent) if we are unconious, what difference would YOU feel being in dreamless sleep, coma or non-existence? None. you do not percieve time, you do not have memories or self awarness, nothing. In all of them they are the same to YOU. I know scientifcally they are different but to YOU there is no diffrence. Do you not understand that? TO YOU, NOT SCIENTICALLY NO DIFFERENCE, TO YOU NO DIFFERENCE. My life will always be relevant to me. Even when I am dead because being asleep after death is far better than being asleep before birth and never waking. It will also be relevant to others. I have argued my case. Now you lot do the searching. Go to google.com and type in death dreamless sleep. Then you will see my case.

Death is a peaceful, eternal dreamless sleep. :snooze:

Kinda relaxing really.

mike all together

Are you doing this just to piss people off?

I rarely read a post on here that makes me want to yell out "WHAT THE FUCK IS HE/SHE THINKING?!" in the middle of work, but your posts have come damn close to making me do just that.

How you're even beginning to compare(well, not just compare.. but to say they are one in the same!) non-existance to a dreamless state of sleep is beyond my understanding. And how you can simply ignore every single post refuting what you say and just continue repeating your previous post.. sadkhfdask argh.

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LSHAFC2004

Death is a sweet, peaceful dreamless sleep.

Michael you obviously are scared of this. Well I am here if you want some help coping with it. You can E-mail me here anytime if you want some comfort. (Edited)

post tenebras lux

Hi LSHAFC2004,
do you have a problem with considering death to be oblivion?

Do you have a problem with people who think that death is oblivion?

What - to you - are the differences between death being 'a sweet, peaceful dreamless sleep' and death being oblivion?

It would be very nice to receive your personal opinion on this point, but failing that, could you please post publically (i.e. here on this thread) whatever words of comfort you were offering MF?

Thanks in advance

Luxie

(edited for consistency - Face)

LSHAFC2004

irrelivent means "doesnt matter". I would agree with that comment. At the end of a busy day(life) during sleep it doesnt matter to you if you lived a life, lived as David Beckham(english footballer), died at 40, died as a miscarriage, the sleep would be the same. But the external factor is in spacetime and to others and techanlly to ourselves, even though we are asleep it DOES all matter.We DID exist and that can never be taken away from us.

Death is a unwaking, peaceful, dreamless sleep. :snooze:

Quiet looking forward to it really.

socratoad

Whatever turns your crank I guess. Add one harp, a cup of strong coffee ..... and shazam there you be ..... in Christian heaven.