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Old 03-09-2011, 05:45 PM   #51
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Old 03-09-2011, 05:54 PM   #52
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Why would any of the earliest sects, all coming from Judaism, propose arrival of a "son" of god, a completely blasphemous notion, contrary to any flavour of Judaism active two millenia before the present day.
"Son of God". Jewish Encyclopedia.
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Yet the term by no means carries the idea of physical descent from, and essential unity with, God the Father.
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....then the Greek LXX might not have appeared until as late as the mid 3rd century, perhaps with Origen.
Thank you Pete.
The oldest extant copy of LXX, that I know of, is found in Codex Sinaiticus, i.e. one century later than your proposal.

Is there an older fragment, somewhere?
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Hi avi,

AFAIK, the Greek translation of the specific LXX commandeered by Commander Constantine is usually attributed to Origen and specifically to his "Hexapla", on account of the testimony of Eusebius, who claims to have inherited the library of Origen, along with "Pamphilus".

AFAIK the "Christian tradition" has it that the LXX was translated to Greek from the Hebrew Bible in the epoch BCE, and was then subsequently altered from the original greek, by "Early Christian Scribes", by the prolific substitution of the standard array of over a dozen unique "christian nomina sacra" codes. This greek LXX and also these "nomina sacra" codes were then used by the authors of the new testament, in some century, to assemble (via copy and paste) the Greek text of the new testament.

There may be some LXX papyri dated by handwriting analysis - I dont know. AFAIK there is no evidence to indicate this could not have happened as late as Eusebius in the 4th century.

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How diabolically clever on the part of Eusebius!!
You forgot to credit Eusebius's Big Imperial Boss with his Big Barbarian Army, who fraudulently declares in his "Oration at Antioch", that the prophecy of the the birth of Jesus was mentioned by two 1st century BCE Roman poets Virgil and Cicero
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"Son of God" is a Jewish concept, of which "God the Son" is a pagan distortion.
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"Son of God" is a Jewish concept,
The archaeology suggests that Apollo, the son of Zeus, and Asclepius, the son of Apollo, were Greek concepts.
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So now a post which started out as a discussion of the relation between the OT prophesies and the composition of the gospel has gotten mired in ... the fourth century conspiracy theory of mountainman and his sidekick avi.

Wonderful. There has to be a limit to every meaningful discussion it seems around here. Send in the clowns!
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So now a post which started out as a discussion of the relation between the OT prophesies and the composition of the gospel has gotten mired
The OP wanted a list of OT prophecies which were fullfilled by Jesus of the NT. I supplied a few lists. I appreciate lists. They can be fed into databases no matter how big or small the list is. I dont know what the purpose of the request was, other thn to get some data.


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in ... the fourth century conspiracy theory of mountainman and his sidekick avi.
You should be dealing with the evidence. Try assessing this article: The vacuum of evidence for pre-4th century Christianity


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Wonderful. There has to be a limit to every meaningful discussion it seems around here.

It does seem that way sometimes stephan.
You wont talk about the Jewish-Italian Momigliano.


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So you're done with the Marcion act?
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Marcion is a real historical phenomenon critical for understanding the development of the New Testament and earliest Christianity. The only usefulness the mountainman-fourth-century-conspiracy would have for anyone in academia would be if a clinical psychologist wished to examine the cognitive strategies used by the delusional to avoid accepting incontrovertible historical evidence.
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Are you saying there's another list based on another definition? Do you have a link?

Genuine divine Bible prophecy (tabulates 60)

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A scientist picked out 48 such prophecies and determined that the probability of one man randomly fulfilling them all is 1 in 10 to the exponent of 157. That is one followed by 157 zeros! Your chances of winning a typical lottery jackpot is about 1 in 108. (100,000,000) Yet, Jesus fulfilled all the prophecies!
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