spin

You are basically kidding me. Taking seminaries as one type, there are also catholic universities and various other analogous institutions. Who are the "historians" in the field that haven't been through such institutions, but have done history in a conventional university trajectory? Any big names?


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Doug Shaver

It's a very popular theory. A huge number of highly intelligent and eminently reasonable people believe it.

Amaleq13

"[I]nformed" is in contrast with the ignorance of the position you oppose. They are "informed" about the basis of the consensus and, from that, establish their opposition.

Sheshbazzar

A "Jesus" that did not do the things that the Gospels claim that "Jesus" did, would not be the "Jesus" of The Gospels. but another, and a different "Jesus".

Whatever you may make of it,
Yep, It is evident that certain "Christians" now are receiving another "Jesus", one that is quite different from that "Jesus" that is portrayed in The Gospels.
They now readily compromise The Gospel accounts to preach a different, revised "Jesus" who DID NOT do all those things The Gospels say that the original Gospel "Jesus" did.
Creating a new "Jesus" of "a different Gospel" than the one that The Christian Church has so long accepted.
What a sneaky snake of deception in leading minds astray from The Gospel.

What! Have these false "disciples" really found or presented any texts of The Gospels that omit the parts they would now like to pretend ought to be discounted?
NO! Not at all.
But their line of reasoning seems to be -so- reasonable, that you put up with it.

So these vipers disguised as believers corrupt The Gospel with their cunning, seducing believers, even those who ought to hold fast to, AND BELIEVE "the oracles that were once for all delivered unto the saints", into a worthless service of another and false "Jesus"
Unbelievers alike are also caught in up their coils, held captive and fascinated by their seeming words of reason, even as Eve did listen to the reasoning of that old serpent.
Some would think that this is a fence that can be straddled,
No so, for the powers on one side, and on the other side, will pull until one side or the other prevails, and neither prevailing, the man caught in the grips is torn asunder and his fit for nothing carcass cast to the earth outside the gates, there to be trampled and shat upon by the swine.
Be Holy and keep The Testimony of Jesus and of The Gospels,
Or if you will be an unbeliever, be so with integrity, and not as these servants of Satan who preach another "Jesus" and a different "Gospel".

Solitary Man

How about nearly every name that went through Oxford, Cambridge, UCLA, Harvard, Princeton, Chicago... I didn't realize your solipsism also turned into paranoia whereas you think that every institution is now a Christian one.

J-D

Are you telling me that all the historians who have studied the subject are people who got their training in religious institutions?

J-D

What information is there about the basis of the consensus?

J-D

In the same sense that a Frederick Barbarossa who is not sleeping under the Kyffhäuser mountain would not be the Barbarossa of the legend but another and a different Barbarossa. So what? The historical Barbarossa is one who does not conform to the legendary account. It's common for legendary or fictional accounts to be attached to historical individuals: that doesn't stop them from being historical individuals.

Toto

My impression is that most of the people involved in "New Testament Studies" who write what passes for history have at least one seminary degree, even if it is from a very liberal instutition.

You can browse the credentials of the original fellows of the Jesus Seminar. Karen King does not have a seminary degree (but teaches at Harvard Divinity School), but the others are all seminary graduates.

J-D

How about that!

I am surprised at this, but if the fellows of the Jesus Seminar are typical (which I presume is what you are asserting, and I have no reason to doubt it), I can't argue with the facts.

(And I agree this does change the picture. I shall have to mull this over.)