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Old 05-16-2006, 02:45 PM   #11
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Don't you really mean what Eusebius said rather than what Papias said?
No, I mean what Papias said, though Eusebius may have added to his words.

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It is my understanding we have absolutely nothing written by Papias and only copies of copies of copies of the words Eusebius put into the mouth of Papias.
When an ancient work is lost, surviving only in quotations from later authors, those quotations take on great importance in historical work. See Felix Jacoby, Die Fragmente der griechischen Historiker, for a very large collection of the fragments of Greek historians preserved in later quotations.

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Until we have evidence Papias said anything at all....
We know that Papias wrote five books. Irenaeus, the Old Latin prologues, Eusebius, Jerome, Philip Sidetes, and Agapius all testify to that.

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...wouldn't it be more accurate to state Eusebius said thus separating even further the chance that any information is reliable?
I did cite Eusebius (explicitly) as the source for the Papian words on Mark.

The chances that Eusebius made up those Papian words on Mark wholesale are virtually nil, as S. C. Carlson has pointed out.

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