funinspace

Thrice read, doubly confounded...
Bolded part: Like in the Way/Path to be followed…You mean to say Jesus left the scene in all ways/meanings and is just fertilizer? Hey, maybe we are in agreement Here I thought you considered Jesus to be more than just another man pile. And Jesus/Christ/J(Y)eshua did not believe in the god called Yahweh among other titles? Did he not accept the Jewish Law of the Prophets? Did he not find Abraham and Moses to be Prophets of his same god labeled Yahweh?

Fair enough label, but the label in question was Abrahamaic, not Christian. So are Jesuits of Abraham in terms of roots/history?

If one was a Jew, one would object since Jesus was a quack, fraud, deceiver, liar, fool….to the true faith.

Dharma

I would tend to agree with your interpretation. The Old /New testament divide was purposely put in by Christians NOT to follow the Old Testament but to say that the Old Testament is OLD and useless.
The New Testament is the fulfillment of the Old and completes in the GRECO_ROMAN name of God, Christos.

The New Testament is very pro-Roman and anti-Jewish, Jesus who BECAME the Christ after his ascension himself calls Jews sons of satan for not listening to him.

Again, I think this confusion with Abrahamic religions has happened thanks to Protestants who thought that Christ is a Jewish name of God or they are worshipping Yahweh and that the Old Testament is somehow there own...when it was put side by side to contrast the two religions by the gentile converts.

Christians are basically saying they are worshipping the name of God Christ ("I am") which is the same as Yahweh ("I am who I am") but better, I am before Abraham...i.e. Roman names of God are superior to Hebrew names of God.

Again, I say Christianity was the Roman imperialistic attempt at converting Jews to some Greco-Roman God or cult...but it backfired as they lost all control over this cult as it did succeed in gaining an initial Romanized Jewish following and thus huge influence in it's more Judaic interpretation.

Chili

. . . but not for the Jews. They have their testator and we have ours. Theirs is theirs and ours is ours, which makes us equal with Jews, no more and no less but equal . . . with Jews being Gods favorite people in their religion and Catholics being Gods favorite people in ours (to add some fuel to the argument). But so are Catholics since there is no temple in heaven for them either. In its ideal form Catholicism is a means to the end just as Judaism is, or was for Jesus. According to me, our Purgatory is equal to their Galilee where religion must be brought to an end before ascension can take place (ascension is the final stage of the Arahant with Sotapanna (?) being the first; I add this parallel to bring heaven down to earth). It's called brown-nosing. "I am before Abraham" takes us past Judaism back to God (see Luke's genealogy) as an independent religion with no allegiance to Judaism for salvation ie. Christ instead of the God of Abraham, Isaac and Joseph. This is the only way that respect for each other can be maintained.No doubt, and they are still a bad bunch who do not know what they are doing and think that they must reform the rest of the world instead of their own mind (but they mean well and that is supposed to makes a difference).

Chili

Jesus was crucified and died, remember? . . . but not until his apostels (read eidetic images) had forsaken him to say that he was beyond religion, his clothes were divided, his senses were pierced and he was bled to remove any goodness from him (water is Mary and blood was Christ). I mean, he was naked and empty, wasn't he? Jesuits are Catholic and Catholic only (or there would be protestants in heaven). The point here is that the messiah must come to the individual Jew (and not their neighbor, so to speak). Until then they must look forward to the 'real messiah' (this would be their 'own') and crucify the one who claims to be one.

Clever, don't you think?

Visionary7

JER 8:8 How do ye say, We are wise, and the law of the LORD is with us? Lo, certainly in vain made he it; the pen of the scribes is in vain.

Visionary7

Tsk.
:down:

Visionary7

Did everyone in this thread overlook me?

Wallener

Not sure what you're suggesting.

)B )RM ->> )BRM ->> )BRHM

From the other side, insert the first distinctive consonant of the original name...

)B HMN ->> )BRHMN ->> )BRHM

Whether or not this is how it happened or was justified, I have no idea, but as letter/word play it certainly doesn't strike me as a huge leap. Am I missing your point?

funinspace

And would you give praises to Allah? Why not? What do you think a Jew who sees no truth to the profferings of Christians, think of this man called Jesus?

Dharma

Jesus after he dies spawns Christianity...the name of God as being Christ Jesus -- again NOT the name Yahweh.

Jesus didn't believe in Yahweh, for he implies HE IS YAHWEH, "Before Abraham, I am", many interpret this to mean that he is Yahweh ("I am").

He stated he came to fulfill the law, but angered every Jew there was with his interpretation of it, saying he was their Daddy's daddy was one such way of angering them...before ABraham, I am...calling himself the Father and son of God.

Again with his virgin birth and unknown father, supposedly God, he was in effect a bastard by Jewish standards and was later called that by Jews after his death. Some Jews even claim that "God" was actually a Roman soldier who raped Mary.