aa5874

It is expected that people may INVENT a pack of lies about aa5874 but aa5874 is NOT all inventions.

The actual history of aa5874 can be found and corroborated.

gMark's Jesus is a phantom and cannot be corroborated at all by any credible historical sources.

If Jesus of gMark was human we would expect some myth and some history like aa5874 but we have ALL MYTHOLOGY and NO history.

Do you understand the difference?

You cannot PRESUME that there was a man called Jesus in the Jewish Temple of Jerusalem because you see those words in Mark 11.11.

gMark contains statements about Jesus that CANNOT be historically accurate. gMark may not be history at all. gMark's Jesus as described is a PHANTOM and there are ZERO sources to contradict gMark.

aa5874

We are NOT at any impasse.

My claim that gMark is the perfect HJ argument killer is still undisturbed. You have supported me by utterly failing to show that any statement in gMark about Jesus is historically accurate.

If you could by some miracle show that there are statements about Jesus in gMark were historically accurate then it would force me to re-consider my position that gMark's Jesus was a Phantom as described.

In over 90 posts you were NOT able to present any historically accurate statements about Jesus which is EXACTLY what I WANTED people to see.

I wanted you to post HUNDREDS of time without ever presenting any historically accurate statements about Jesus in gMark.

Not one single post of yours have a single historically accurate statement of Jesus in gMark.

Now, I have presented SEVENTEEN passages in gMark that CANNOT be historically accurate.

In effect, gMark as it is presented CANNOT be an historically accurate document.

gMark is COMPATIBLE with Myth Fables.

I can ONLY accept gMark as a Myth Fable of a Phantom called Jesus and his Myth disciples.

gMark is the perfect HJ argument killer.

Sheshbazzar

How would you, or could you, identify anything that was actual 'history' about a person of whom you know nothing?

That shoe also fits the other foot;

YOU, aa5874, cannot PRESUME that there wasn't a man called Jesus in the Jewish Temple of Jerusalem because you see those words in Mark 11:11.

Actually the odds are very much on my side that a man called Jesus (there were likely hundreds of them) did visit The Temple in Jerusalem.

As every one of them was expected to visit The Temple in Jerusalem regularly; Ex. 23:14-17 & Deut 16:16.
So it is extremely likely that a man named Ea'sus -Greek) (or Y'shuah -Hebrew) DID visit the Temple in Jerusalem.
-in fact hundreds of them thar Jebus's visited the Temple on hundreds of occasions each year.

gMark also contains statements about Jebus that CAN be historically accurate.

gMark may contain some portions that ARE history.
You have no way of knowing whether those portions are history or not.

You use that word 'phantom' a lot. Actually gMarks Ἰησοῦν describes himself, and is specifically described by others as being a ἄνθρωπος.

Yes. how true.

Toto

This thread has descended into repetition and name calling.

Is anyone still reading it? Can anyone read it without despairing for the human mind?

Is there a reason for it to stay open?

Sheshbazzar

Not in my view.
Shoot it in the head, and 'The Perfectly stoopid HJ argument killer' is dead.








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aa5874

Let me continue.

These are some of the things that I have discovered in gMark before being INTERRUPTED.

1. The Jesus character was Obsolete--John was already baptizing People in WATER for the remission of sins.

2. The Jesus character should have replaced the baptism by WATER with the Baptism of the Holy Ghost .

3. In gMark even AFTER John the Baptist was dead, there is NO Baptism of the Holy Ghost recorded when it is CLAIMED that Jesus CAME Precisely to Baptize in the Holy Ghost.

4. The Jesus character was a total BLUNDER. He was Obsolete even before he met John and did NOT fulfill his role as a Holy Ghost Baptizer at all in the story.

5. Jesus was described as a Phantom in gMark.

But, In gMark, there are 2 events where Jesus fed thousands of people with a few bread and fish and collected 19 baskets of left-overs, far more left-overs than even the original quantity of food that miraculously multiplied.

The Feeding of the FIVE and FOUR thousand men is another piece of evidence that show gMark CONTAINS UTTER FICTION.

In gMark 6, there were ONLY Five Loaves and TWO Fish.

These FIVE Loaves and TWO fish were USED to miraculously feed FIVE THOUSAND Men and produce TWELVE baskets of left-overs.

The author of gMark has implied that there were at least FIVE THOUSAND EYE-WITNESSES to the miraculous multiplication of five loaves and two fish.

But, no such miracle could have ever occurred but the author of gMark produced at least FIVE THOUSAND WITNESSES for his FICTION story.

And NOT only are they EYE-WITNESSES to the non-historical event, the same FIVE THOUSAND eye-witnesses did PARTAKE of the FICTION FOOD also.

Mark 6:44 - Who were these FIVE thousand EYE-WITNESSES and Participants?

Did they ever read gMark 6?

The author of gMark is a MONSTROUS FICTION writer.

But he does NOT stop his monstrous fiction story at FIVE THOUSAND eye-witnesses ,not including women and children, he will ADD FOUR MORE thousand.

In Mark 8, the author writes another FICTION story and produces at least 4 thousand EYE-WITNESSES and Participants in the Fiction story.

This time in gMark 8 the author starts with Seven loaves and a Few fish.

But, the result is the same, we have at least FOUR THOUSAND EYE-WITNESSES and PARTICIPANTS in a non-historical event.

Who DE-GUTTED the Miracle Fish?

Who CLEANED the Miracle Fish?

Who COOKED the Miracle Fish?

There SHOULD have been THOUSANDS of people in Galilee that would have known that gMark was Fiction.

What benefit would there be for a New cult to BEGIN with MONSTROUS FICTION stories about THOUSANDS fed with a few loaves and Fish when it would have been KNOWN by thousands in Galilee to be Fiction???

Not one single person in Galilee could have SEEN and EATEN the miraculous Fiction Bread and the Fiction Fish yet the author of gMark wrote such a story TWICE with a total of NINE thousand EYE-WITNESSES and Participants.

gMark is FICTION and cannot be accepted as history as it is presented.

Mark 8.9 Who were these FOUR thousand EYE-WITNESSES and Participants?

Did they ever read gMark 8?

gMark is NOT history but BLATANT Fiction as it is presented.

gMark is the Perfect HJ argument killer.

NINE thousand MEN SAW Jesus with FICTION FOOD and ATE IT in gMark.

That is the WRITTEN EVIDENCE in gMark.

Sheshbazzar

So what? You have already REPEATEDLY told us the these NT stories contain FICTION and MYTH. Duh, Like no other atheist has ever figured that out

And we have ALREADY, and REPEATEDLY -AGREED- with you that these NT stories contain FICTION and MYTH.

DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING ADDITIONAL? OR SOME OTHER POINT THAT YOU ARE TRYING TO MAKE?

BECAUSE IT APPEARS THAT ALL YOU ARE DOING HERE IS REPEATING YOURSELF ENDLESSLY LIKE A BROKEN RECORD.

aa5874

Let me continue to establish that gMark is the perfect HJ argument killer.

gMark consists of 16 chapters and ends at the eight verse in the Sinaiticus and Vaticanus Codices.

I am using the WRITTEN STATEMENTS in gMark and NOT my imagination.

ALL MY CLAIMS are SUPPORTED by the WRITTEN EVIDENCE of antiquity.

Once every chapter and verse in gMark is analysed it will QUICKLY become clear that gMark is NOT history as some propose but complete Fiction, a Myth Fable that will not have any external corroboration.

Up to the PRESENT Moment, Right Now, not one single statement about Jesus and the disciples have been corroborated by any credible non-apologetic sources of antiquity.

But, where did the author of gMark get his Fiction stories? Did he INVENT these Fiction stories himself?

Who told the author of gMark that there were NINE THOUSAND EYE-WITNESSES and PARTICIPANTS of the FICTION food?

According to the Church and its writers, it was the APOSTLE PETER who told the author of gMark about the Feeding of the NINE THOUSAND with 12 loaves of Bread and some fish.

Based on "Against Heresies" supposedly written since the late 2nd century gMark FICTION stories are REALLY the TEACHINGS of the APOSTLE PETER.

Examine "Against Heresies" 3.1.1 So, the Feeding of the NINE THOUSAND with Fiction Food by Jesus in gMark is NOT ONLY ABSOLUTE FICTION but it was PREACHED by the Apostle PETER.

By the way, stories about Jesus in gMark are ABSOLUTE FICTION when they CANNOT be historically accurate whether or NOT Jesus did exist.

gMark contains at least Seventeen events in ELEVEN chapters that are ABSOLUTE FICTION and according to the Church ALL Seventeen pieces of ABSOLUTE FICTION were TAUGHT by and DERIVED from the Apostle Peter.

gMark is NOT history. It is a COMPILATION of ABSOLUTE FICTION in at least ELEVEN chapters.

gMark is the Perfect HJ argument Killer.

Toto

Then stop replying.

aa5874: everyone agrees that the gospels are mythical and the miracles never happened. This does not prove there was no historical Jesus. If you can't get beyond this, you are wasting your time here.

aa5874

You really don't seem to understand what a THEORY is.

How did Doherty come up with the theory that Jesus was crucified in the SUB-LUNAR?

How did Doherty come up with the THEORY that Jesus was neither God nor man?

Come on, Toto.

Sometime, you seem so illogical.

You MUST FIRST understand how theories are developed and I don't think you understand at all.

There are TWO fundamental theories or proposals.

1. There was an historical Jesus.

2. There was NO historical Jesus.

ALL that is NEEDED now is to SHOW and EXAMINE DATA to SUPPORT each theory.

That is all.

A THEORY is good if the data supports it.

What is the DATA to support the HJ theory?

HJers have PUT FORWARD gMark.

HJers claim that gMark contains the history of HJ of Nazareth.

I will UTTERLY destroy HJers claim.

I will show that gMark is a COMPILATION of ABSOLUTE FICTION in at least Eleven chapters and cannot be corroborated at all up to this PRESENT time.

My claims are SUPPORTED SIMULTANEOUSLY with the supporting DATA from antiquity.

I will NOT make jokes and say HJers suffer from "Derangement Syndromes".

I will CLINICALLY destroy HJ of Nazareth using the very proposed "history book" for HJ of Nazareth.

I will EXPOSE the fallacies of the HJ proposal.

gMark is a COMPILATION of ABSOLUTE FICTION which information was DERIVED from the Apostle Peter according Irenaeus in "Against Heresies".

I am NO LONGER RELYING on people's opinion of me.

Right now, I am PRESENTING the written evidence from antiquity as found in gMark.

I don't care what you say about me. It seems that you have a "weird sense of humor".

I know what is FOUND in gMark and that is ALL that matters.

I know gMark contains ABSOLUTE FICTION and that it utterly destroys the HJ proposal.