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Solitary Man · 06-26-2008, 12:34 PM

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Why isn't Jesus treated in an equivalent manner?

Know anyone that was burned for heresy for suggesting that Camelot was/wasn't real?

In this day and age, who is burned for heresy for suggesting that Jesus is real? Doherty, Price, and Carrier are still living. Heck, even mountainman, patcleaver, and aa4857 still live. Have anything else except illogical polemic?

Solitary Man · 06-26-2008, 12:36 PM

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It might be interesting to check their relative contentiousness carefully. For example, why is not the phrase "cycle of romances" used about the gospels?

Because the Gospels aren't a cycle of romances!

Do you even know what that phrase means?

Clivedurdle · 06-26-2008, 12:39 PM

I see it as more likely to be habit, and the fact that the vast majority of scholars in this area do make some form of confession.

But a detailed compare and contrast exercise would be enlightening - I would argue there is far more evidence for the existence of Arthur than Jesus - I have seen his grave to start with!

Keith&Co. · 06-26-2008, 12:40 PM

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Know anyone that was burned for heresy for suggesting that Camelot was/wasn't real?

In this day and age, who is burned for heresy for suggesting that Jesus is real?

Did i say, in this day and age? And a positive parallel would include real and disreal.

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Have anything else except illogical polemic?

Prove the authorship of Matthew, then get back to me on who's got bupkes for an argument.

Clivedurdle · 06-26-2008, 12:40 PM

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It might be interesting to check their relative contentiousness carefully. For example, why is not the phrase "cycle of romances" used about the gospels?

Because the Gospels aren't a cycle of romances!

Do you even know what that phrase means?

Are you sure about that?

Solitary Man · 06-26-2008, 12:42 PM

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Because the Gospels aren't a cycle of romances!

Do you even know what that phrase means?

Are you sure about that?

Quite.

Keith&Co. · 06-26-2008, 12:43 PM

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Because the Gospels aren't a cycle of romances!

Do you even know what that phrase means?

Um...made-up-shit meant to convey particular ideas in an entertaining way, made more palatable for the less educated by peopling the stories with heroes and villains and dialogue rather than lecture?

Seems appropriate to me.

Solitary Man · 06-26-2008, 12:46 PM

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Because the Gospels aren't a cycle of romances!

Do you even know what that phrase means?

Um...made-up-shit meant to convey particular ideas in an entertaining way, made more palatable for the less educated by peopling the stories with heroes and villains and dialogue rather than lecture?

Seems appropriate to me.

Someone went to college! Just kidding. And no. Take a class on folklore, pip.

Clivedurdle · 06-26-2008, 12:49 PM

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This little child Jesus when he was five years old was playing at the ford of a brook: and he gathered together the waters that flowed there into pools, and made them straightway clean, and commanded them by his word alone. 2 And having made soft clay, he fashioned thereof twelve sparrows. And it was the Sabbath when he did these things (or made them). And there were also many other little children playing with him. 3 And a certain Jew when he saw what Jesus did, playing upon the Sabbath day, departed straightway and told his father Joseph: Lo, thy child is at the brook, and he hath taken clay and fashioned twelve little birds, and hath polluted the Sabbath day. 4 And Joseph came to the place and saw: and cried out to him, saying: Wherefore doest thou these things on the Sabbath, which it is not lawful to do? But Jesus clapped his hands together and cried out to the sparrows and said to them: Go! and the sparrows took their flight and went away chirping. 5 And when the Jews saw it they were amazed, and departed and told their chief men that which they had seen Jesus do.

http://www.gnosis.org/library/inftoma.htm

Solitary Man · 06-26-2008, 12:55 PM

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http://www.gnosis.org/library/inftoma.htm

Unfortunately, the Infancy Gospel of Thomas is a much later composition than Paul, Q, (the regular) Gospel of Thomas, and Mark, none of which show signs of being a "cycle of romances".

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06-26-2008, 12:39 PM	#13
Clivedurdle Contributor Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: London UK Posts: 16,024	I see it as more likely to be habit, and the fact that the vast majority of scholars in this area do make some form of confession. But a detailed compare and contrast exercise would be enlightening - I would argue there is far more evidence for the existence of Arthur than Jesus - I have seen his grave to start with!

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