emeraldsforest

Books don't enslave, create crusades or inquisitions, people do.

If you feel the story is so clear, please enlighten us all and prove it. Insert the text that you feel is so clear that all should understand! So far all you are doing is ranting and your points have no foundation.

emeralds :jump:

regis

I was always taught that death would ensue from eating the fruit, meaning that A & E would begin to die on that day. I know he says 'on that day', but he's god so fuck 'em. But, of course, sky-daddy also says to Eve: 'I will greatly increase your pain in childbirth'. Huh? So, it (birth) was gonna be a somewhat painful process from the get-go? What a fucking prick this god is! And then there's the kid, son-o-god, who says to his flock (baaaaaaaa!) that he'll return in their lifetimes. Another in a long, long list of lies from the don't-ity.

Y'know, that babble is so filled with lies & stupid horseshit, why the xrist did I ever believe???



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meega

quote (regis):
"why the xrist did I ever believe???"

That is an interesting question. Many people will revert to psychology, the desire to explain our existence, some even revert to genetics, and point out a "god gene". But I think each individual has their own answer, and an inkling of it can probably be self-discovered.

Myself, I am in agreement with a gbunty from another forum. She said that she doesn't so much have a problem with herself not being eternal, if there is no spirit, or eternity...but rather she cannot accept a universe which is inevitably heading towards heat death, and there being no hope whatsoever for the human race, the preservation of beauty and justice, or there being significance to the multitude of acts of human altruism. So it is an overarching concept of hope, not so much for herself, unlike so many fundies, but for our race and the whole universe. I would go mad myself without such a belief. And if my belief proves fruitless, I will never know it...so living with hope is more comfortable for me. I will admit that. And faith is mutually exclusive to proof/reason/logic. So no one try to "disprove" my faith. I won't defend it.

BTW, I am a Christian, non-fundie...TEv.

emeraldsforest

What a very nice and honest post.

I am an ex-fundie and an ex-christian. My hope is that we have an awakening of realities, so that we can break the vast and powerful bind religion has on our politics which is leading to the rapid killing of the Earth. If this trend continues, gbunty won't have to worry about what happens billions of years from now, it will happen very soon and very sorrowfully. In fact it is happening in front of our eyes.

I am an optimist and chose not to bury my head in the sand, in hopes that I can stop this insanity more quickly and turn it around for future generations sake. I have lived a great life and do not would not want my comfort false hope to contribute to the demise of billions and all said above.

An ex fundie allows me to see. An ex-christian allows me to be honest with myself to the fullest and not associate myself with the vast majority who call themselves such, who have 'herd' mentality and drive the political machine.

I fully respect your position, however, would also like to point out that it is not necessary for anyone to title themselves part of an organization. You simply can be you and still maintain a foundation of beliefs that gives you hope, whatever they may be.

I think the deciding factor for my undeclaring myself a christian, was finding out exactly what they did wrong throughout history, including witch burnings in Europe, inventing torture implements (some of which ripped off womens breasts), and the least of which, supporting an anthology of books that was written very patriarchally where the word 'hate' is used over 150 times, the word 'enemy' over 350 times, which leads to the denigration of women by such words as harlot, jezebel, and virgin.

Once free from these bonds, I realize that above everything, I am a humanist who believes in a much more positive approach to the world, encouraging people to learn instruments, hike, study biology, atronomy, languages, etc...

emeralds :thumbs:

bornagainskeptic

Snakes can't talk.

Jack the Bodiless

The "imminent death" issue was discussed on this thread:

Adam and Eve: there was no "spiritual death"

...Where I suggested that the author of Genesis actually intended to present God as a liar on this issue. I still think it's the best explanation, and entirely consistent with the God of Genesis (which is NOT the God of Christianity, or even later Judaism).

This was a fallible God who feared humanity.