Sven

And plants don't have souls?
How about ants? Or mites?
How about bacteria? Or viruses (sp?) ?

Barefoot Bree

I'm not sure whether I've been insulted or complimented..... :huh:

Dean Anderson

I have split the discussion on Pyramid Power on to its own thread, here and promoted it to the Science & Skepticism forum in the hope that it will generate useful discussion.

Kaleidescope - Please try to keep threads to a single topic. Suddenly jumping to a different topic in the middle of a thread is confusing for everyone. Please start new topics in their own threads in future.

lpetrich

That's another thing wrong with astrology. Do astrologers ever try to set up tests to distinguish rival theories?

Real scientists do that all the time; I can easily give some notable examples.

kaleidescope

Pyramids align to stars which link pyramids to astrology, but do what you, as a moderator, must. what i am leading to is that, as the native indians knew, everyone is interconnected to everyone and thing else, this is why i link things together.

kaleidescope

Just as most scientists do not research everything that science covers, that is they specialize somewhere, neither do astrologers. astrologers publish their findings based on their "specialty" study of astrology. For example: a chart from Magi Astrology looks different than a typical chart for at least the following reason: most astrologers focus on horizontal lines, hence, a 'typical chart'. which for me is easier to understand than the magi chart which covers vertical lines as well. I would use Magi astrology for any big projects I take on where I have to work with other individuals to see if our work vision will be compatible. Their software is expensive but worth it when you're trying to make a lot of big business decisions. I have astro software from a guy who has 20 years of astrology study, his edge is pychological astrology. Ex. What, from the past, effects a person? Some astrologers use Chiron, some don't. I have an astro book written in the earlier 1900s which I find very interesting, because some of the outer planets hadn't been discovered, yet there's validity in this astrologer's work.
www.astrodienst.com gives free charts, profiles, forecasts, and daily personal horoscopes. check it for yourself. realize that there are more than one way to say the same thing.
so if something kind of fits with you, it actually does, it is just relayed in a different way than how you would say, given that it is the astrologer's mindset, not your's.

lpetrich

Here is what I mean by scientists constructing tests to see who's right. In the 1600's, Sir Isaac Newton put together his system of mechanics, one that proved greatly successful in explaining the motions of objects, like the larger objects in the Solar System. Urbain Jean Joseph Leverrier and John Couch Adams even used it to predict the planet Neptune, which was found close to its expected position.

BUT, around the time of Leverrier's success, a certain James Clerk Maxwell put together what was known of the electric and magnetic fields and deduced that electromagnetic waves ought to exist, waves of electric and magnetic field. Waves which move tantalizingly close to the speed of light in a vacuum; waves that always travel at some constant speed, c.

But that ought not to be possible in Newtonian mechanics, and physicists labored mightly to reconcile the two -- and proposed tests of various reconciliations. One of them was that electric and magnetic fields live in some medium that got named "ether"; a medium that the Earth ought to be moving relative to on account of its motion around the Sun. The Michelson-Morley experiment was set up to test that, and found zero relative motion; similar experiments had similar sorts of results.

Worse and worse, it seemed a century ago. But a young physicist named Albert Einstein worked out an ingenious solution: to modify Newtonian mechanics to make it more Maxwell-friendly, thus producing Special Relativity. And that solution has proved to be a smashing success, at least in the absence of significant gravitational effects.

But different specialties are supposed to be consistent with each other, and I don't see astrologers trying to work that out. How do Western and Chinese astrology fit together, for instance?

But is it possible to predict Chiron's existence and orbit with astrology the way that Urbain Leverrier had predicted the planet Neptune with Newtonian mechanics?

That does happen, as in the case of:

Newton's and Leibniz's calculus notations
Schroedinger's and Heisenberg's formulations of quantum mechanics

But has that ever been shown for different systems of astrology?

kaleidescope

Ipetrich, i kind of talked around your initial question. Of course astrologers test themselves against each other. If i were an astrologer, I would. comparing results and findings which lead to a concensus collected by an astrologer is how astrology books are written to begin with.

Bright Life

Are you sure? The Amazing Randi has done lots of study in this area, only to find nothing of any value.

And you still haven't answered my question...What's your point?