Originally Posted by Dharma

again, the son of Man as hero "with glory and power" is a reference to the Indo-Germanic legends of Manu the first man and first king -- who was looked upon as legendary hero.

It is not a coincidence that both the book of Daniel and Ezekiel are both very strongly associated with Syria where the Vedic Mitanni ruled and Ezekiel in particular is riding a heavenly chariot.

the term "ben adam" can in no way imply "power and glory"...Adam in many ways was hardly somone worth emulating -- he was kicked out of heaven for lying, had sons bent upon killing one another -- so some of the mystics tried to superimpose the concept of "hero king" of the Vedic people with the concept Adam -- it just doesn't work! It's similar to "Adam Cadmon". The Roman connection is absolutely ridiculous. :down:

Originally Posted by Dharma

"the way" is not Jewish and neither is "son of Man"..."The way" generally comes from eastern traditions (The Dharma, The Tao) these are "the way" traditions.

Son of Man "riding on chariots, on the clouds of heaven" is also not Jewish but imagery imported from Vedic religion.

Christianity was an attempt to Hellenize Jewish theology with the other theologies around it to create a mixed religion to satisfy Greek rulers and the major Jewish population it ruled in Antioch, in Syria-- the city where much of the modern version of the bible was written.

Originally Posted by Thomas II

Actually,aren't these "chariots" from Ezekiel "vimanas" of Vedic tradition,Baghavat Purana?

Originally Posted by Thomas II

Actually,aren't these "chariots" from Ezekiel "vimanas" of Vedic tradition,Baghavat Purana?

Originally Posted by spin

Can you give an exact reference? I've found an online source but it is spread over numerous pages. Thanks.


spin

Originally Posted by Thomas II

I did not say that "ben adam" implies power and glory,so let's get back to the text:
http://www.usccb.org/nab/bible/daniel/daniel7.htm
See what it says in Daniel 7:13-14...
In addition I don't think that you are understanding the connection Jesus has to Adam.
Some people see Jesus as the second Adam. The first Adam "screwed things up" and the second Adam,meaning Jesus, "fixed things up",at least that is their belief. See 1 Corinthians 15:21-22 and Romans 5:12-21.
http://www.presenttruthmag.com/verse...econd-adam.htm
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Originally Posted by Thomas II

There are many. Here is one:
http://atlantisquest.com/Ezekiel.html

Originally Posted by Dharma

As they flash through the sky they are--like the mighty flying machines (vimanas) of the Hindu epics--accompanied by a thunderous roar. Finally, as they land on earth they "let down their wings"--a curious statement from our UFO oriented standpoint, unless we realize that these "wings" could conceivably be metal stairways as seen from the side. Such "gangplanks" might be lowered smoothly until they touched the ground, giving him the impression that the cherubim had "let down their wings".

Originally Posted by Thomas II

There are many. Here is one:

[way-out links omitted]

Originally Posted by spin

I was specifically after the source for vinamas in the Baghavad Puranas. And one will be sufficient. Thanks.


spin