Mageth

Originally posted by Magus55
Nope, your sins are covered when you accept Jesus ( i.e you are no longer accountable for them). But on Earth, your body is still corrupt, as is the world, which is why you still sin. In Heaven, you get a incorruptible, immortal body. No more temptation, no corrupt body, a changed inner being found blameless through Jesus and wahla - made fit to be in Heaven with God.

Fantastic. So why can't he do the same for everybody in that case, if it's that easy for him to make us acceptable in his presence even if believer and non-believer alike are still "corrpupt" and still "sinning"?

Do you see God standing in the presence of sin right now?

You're the one who said "And I'd say no you aren't separated from God completely right now." So ask yourself that question.

Mad Zur

Sin is intangible, love is intangible... And God didn't create either?

case

I'm curious as to how the flood isn't murder. If I were to go and blow up a dam, and several hundred people died because of it, am I not murdering people? Or am I just killing them? In either case, what would be the difference?

What you seem to be saying is that it doesn't matter, because god gave us life, and can take it away. Would a mother have the same sort of latitude with her child? After all, she gave it life. Why shouldn't she be able to kill it? Or is the mother not held to the same standard as god?

As far words go, they are all human made up. And, while I'm sure Webster's isn't the last word on the subject of words, I certainly wouldn't call it arbitrary, unless you want to call every post you have ever made the same thing. And the Bible is exactly where I found his nature; it seems to be the only book that has that little story about the flood, and much else besides, in it.

Magus55

Because the first step in the process is admitting that you're a sinner and are in need of a Savior. That begins the inner change. Un-believers won't do that, so they can't be made fit in God's eyes. They still carry sin. They can't be found blameless.


God's power and sovereignty eminate (sp) through the universe, but God isn't actually standing on Earth. God can still follow His will and plan, making things happen on Earth and the Universe - but He isn't actually sitting in a bar doing it.

Magus55

God created love by being love. God can't and isn't sin, and therefore can't create it. He did however allow it to enter the world by creating free will.

Rhea

You sure have to add a lot of special pleadings to make imperfect atheists different from imperfect Christians, don't you.

And all of them require your assumption that you KNOW God's plan.


It's remarkable! You really should call the Pope. I think he needs to talk to you...

atechnie

And you know this how?

atechnie

Magus55

Murder is unjustified and with malice. Killing isn't. God had a just reason to cause the flood and it wasn't done with malice.

No the mother isn't held to the same standard because she isn't perfect or supreme. And God governs all life. God gave life to everything in creation. God created the ability for life to exist. God allowed the mother to be a vessel to create life. God created humans in His image. God is the supreme ruler over life, not the mother.

Magus55

The Bible and the Holy Spirit.

Magus55

Yes I do know God's plan because He told it to us. And Guess what, you know His plan too!