Vinnie

Apparently, Joel Marcus, opines the same thing:



He also raises a few other instances of errors.

Vinnie

Also, with this from Marcus, I add in this from Sanders and Davies:

Mark could, simply be trying to fit pre-Markan, localized traditions into his itinerary which is certainly not a strict, straightforward history. The itinery in Mark is largely theological.

The geography error(s) appear to be overpreessed.

Vinnie

Vinnie

Marcus mentioned 10:1 as an error as well? Is there something in the Greek I can't see?


If you have a map, follow along:

Jesus goes from Capernaum (Mark 9:33 which is in Galilee right off the NE portion of the Sea of Galilee) to the region of Judea (Mark 10:1).

1Jesus then left that place and went into the region of Judea

Now Judea was a big region. Did Mark mean "Judea" as in the area on the map near Jerusalem, bethany and Bethlehem, or did Mark mean the "province of Judea" which covers the whole area?

At any rate, Mark then has Jesus cross the Jordan (10:1b) into, again the Decapolis or possibly PEREA (depending on how far into "Judea" they were), to miff a few Pharisees and then finally they go to Jerusalem (10:32) which is all the way back across the Jordan.

Maybe there is something on ancient roads I am missing? Where is the error on Geography? Mark has Jesus traveling around, covering some of the same ground a few times but I'm not sure how this can be pressed as an error?

Vinnie

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Has anyone who spouts about Mk 7:31 actually looked at the Greek of the text?? They might find that the AV is actually closer to the mark. Other translations seem to be based solely on the Vulgate.


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Peter Kirby

Yuri Kuchinsky has an article on Mark 7:31.

The Westcott-Hort reading ("he went out from the borders of Tyre, and came through Sidon unto the sea of Galilee") is supported by Sinaiticus, Vaticanus, Bezae, 019, 037, 038, 33, 565, 700, 892, and some versions (including the Vulgate but also the Ethiopic and some Coptic manuscripts).

The Textus Receptus reading ("he went out from the borders of Tyre and Sidon, and came to the sea of Galilee") is supported by p45, Alexandrinus, 017, 032, 033, 041, 0131, 28, 1009, 1010, 1071, 1079, 1195, 1216, 1230, 1241, 1242, 1253, 1344, 1365, 1546, 1646, 2148, 2174, and some versions.

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Vinnie

I can't find anything. Someone please explain how Mark 10:1 is an error.

"As they approached Jerusalem and came to Bethphage and Bethany at the Mount of Olives"

Where is Bethpage? I can't find it?

Lets go back to what I wrote earlier:

Now look at this Map taken from V 1 of Meier's Marginal Jew series at 434:



He actually has "major roads" but they don't come out in the Amazon online version so I added in where a major road is said to have been.

Assume Jesus is in Capernaum (up in Galileee). he goes down into the region of Judea (how far we know not but presumably far--se below). he goes into the Decapolis or Perea.

Look at the map and read this statement:

"As they approached Jerusalem and came to [Bethphage and] Bethany"

That is an accurate statement. The road leads right into Bethany before Jerusalem.

Thus, Mark may very well be reflecting accurate Palestininain geography here.

Anybody on this board know how 10:1 is supposed to be an error?

Even if Jesus went into the Decapolis and not Perea there is another road (dotted line on Meier's map) leading down into this one on the eastern border of Judea (the Province) where Jesus and co. would have crossed back over the Jordan.

Vinnie

Vinnie

From the site Kirby linked, I noticed this as the bottom:

Mark 8:22-26: The pericopae of the healing of the blind man was mentioned by Mark to have occured at Bethsaida, which he referred to as a "village". But it is well known that Bethsaida during the time of Jesus was a large and prosperous town.[9]

Does anyone have any information on Bethsaida from the first century? What documents this?

The article quote Mark 10:1:

My questiuon here is, does Mark say they went to Judea by crossing the Jordan or does Mark say they went into Judea and crossed the Jordan.

The NIV leads me to think that Mark 10:1 says they went to Judea and then across the Jordan. This touches on the alleged error in Mark 11:1:

Now if Mark is on the road I suggested above, he wopuld hit Jerico, then Bethany, then Jerusalem, just as Mark had it:



Link to translations:

http://www.biblegateway.com/cgi-bin/...nguage=english

Can someonme fluent in Greek tell me what the post interpretation of Mark 10:1 is. Can is be Mark went into Judea and then across the Jordan. This makes sense since the rest of Mark's Journey seems like it follows that main road I posted an image of.

But if it says Jesus went into Judea from Capernaum by crossing the Hordan Mark is ridiculously screwed up.

So Greek people, I ask for your assistance?

Vinnie

Vinnie

as an FYI, the line I drew on the map is slightly off. The road goes directly through Jericho on Meier's version.

Peter Kirby

Here is a good map for the roads:

First Century Palestine

Here is one with less clutter:

Map of Israel

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Vinnie

First one is a great map

It calls Gadara the cultural center of the Decapolis. Is it possibly Mark confused Gadara with Geresa?

Vinnie