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Old 02-17-2012, 12:53 PM   #71
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The Bible is not a book, it's a library of books of all kinds of different genres - myth, poetry, folktales, political propaganda, pedantic legal codes and instructions for ritual sacrifices, apocalypse, prophecy, hagiography, genealogies, etc. If the Bible was to be classified as a single book, I guess it would be as an anthology of religious literature, but there's no genre consistent to every book.
The term "the Bible" is itself a misnomer as there are many versions of it, the major categories being the OT and NT and the Catholic versus the Protestant and/or Greek Orthodox versions. There are many translations of the so-called Bible, and there are many books that were excluded from it for whatever reasons, largely political, which motivated its compilers.
True, but not especially relevant since the OP was not specific to any particular version or canon.
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To say that the Bible is not a book but is rather a collection of books is establishing a distinction without a difference.
It's a distinction with a major difference if you're trying classify something by genre.
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One can say the same thing about many books.
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Basically a book is that which is between two covers and is sold as a unit.
This is not a definition which has any application to the question. Academically speaking, the Bible is definitely not seen as "a book," and cannot even be critically studied without breaking them down into component books.


Asking "what is the genre of the Bible" is like asking for the genre of a mixtape.
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The term "the Bible" is itself a misnomer as there are many versions of it, the major categories being the OT and NT and the Catholic versus the Protestant and/or Greek Orthodox versions. There are many translations of the so-called Bible, and there are many books that were excluded from it for whatever reasons, largely political, which motivated its compilers.
True, but not especially relevant since the OP was not specific to any particular version or canon.

It's a distinction with a major difference if you're trying classify something by genre.

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Basically a book is that which is between two covers and is sold as a unit.
This is not a definition which has any application to the question. Academically speaking, the Bible is definitely not seen as "a book," and cannot even be critically studied without breaking them down into component books.


Asking "what is the genre of the Bible" is like asking for the genre of a mixtape.
What happened to the "Good Book?" If it's sold in a bookstore; it's a book. How one divides up its contents is irrelevant. Collections of short stories by O' Henry, for example, are sold as a book. The collected works of Will Shakespeare, some of which he may not have actually written, is sold as a book. If the bible is not a book, what is that I see people carrying around with them on Sundays? A tome? When a book is selected as canon it forms part of a larger whole that we call a .........?
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The novel didn't exist in antiquity http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novel stupid theory
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What happened to the "Good Book?" If it's sold in a bookstore; it's a book.
This is silly. You are using a vernacular definition rather than an academic one.
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Just becasue we cannot find physical evidence of the Exodus does not mean it was not real
But it does mean we don't have a good reason to think it was real.
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What happened to the "Good Book?" If it's sold in a bookstore; it's a book.
This is silly. You are using a vernacular definition rather than an academic one.
What is a novel? One may refer to Wikipedia where a novel is defined as a "long narrative in literary prose." The same article discusses the works of Homer (8th or 9th century BC.) as being a forerunner of the modern novel.

In the case of the NT, one can observe a plot, characterization, setting, the building of suspense, a climax and a denouement. This structure differs from a history in that in a novel the characters are fictional or a mixture of fictional and historical. In other words, in a novel there is a story that has a beginning, a middle and an end. History, by contrast, has events but not plots, and authentic history only deals with real characters not fictional ones. In ancient history the problem is that one often does not know what is historical and factual and what is imaginery. It seems that believers get so caught up in these ancient stories that they forget that they are just stories, not facts. It then become necessary for someone who is objective to point out that the Emperor has no clothes.
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Just becasue we cannot find physical evidence of the Exodus does not mean it was not real.
The same thing is true of Narnia.
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This is silly. You are using a vernacular definition rather than an academic one.
What is a novel? One may refer to Wikipedia where a novel is defined as a "long narrative in literary prose." The same article discusses the works of Homer (8th or 9th century BC.) as being a forerunner of the modern novel.

In the case of the NT, one can observe a plot, characterization, setting, the building of suspense, a climax and a denouement. This structure differs from a history in that in a novel the characters are fictional or a mixture of fictional and historical. In other words, in a novel there is a story that has a beginning, a middle and an end. History, by contrast, has events but not plots, and authentic history only deals with real characters not fictional ones. In ancient history the problem is that one often does not know what is historical and factual and what is imaginery. It seems that believers get so caught up in these ancient stories that they forget that they are just stories, not facts. It then become necessary for someone who is objective to point out that the Emperor has no clothes.
You seem to have mistaken me for someone who has said the Bible is a novel. My point is that the Bible is not classifiable as any single genre because it's not a single book, that is, it's not a single work by a single author, but a repository of sacred literature compiled over centuries.
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The suggestion here is that the Bible should be classified as a novel, therefore as complete fiction and intended as fiction. It is not taken by anyone as overt fiction. If it is fiction, it must be proved to be fiction. And there is yet to be seen in this thread, 60 posts on, a syllable to establish that.
Are you prepared to argue that the Bible is completely true?

Please state what you know is true about Jesus in the Bible.

I am yet to see what you can establish is true about Jesus in the Bible.

Is it the conception by the Ghost?

Is it the Walikng on sea-water?

Is it the Transfiguration?

Is it the feeding of the 5000 THOUSAND?

Is it the resurrection?

Is it the ascension?

Tell us the truth or else we will think it is all fiction.
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It is not taken by anyone as overt fiction. If it is fiction, it must be proved to be fiction.
What gives you that idea? It is taken to be fiction, and is clearly stated to be fiction nearly every day in these forums.

If you support a book that says a donkey carried on a conversation, and that ancient men levitated up into the sky,
the burden is on you to prove that its claims are history and not fiction.

You want your igsfly: silly fairy-tale to be believed in, it is up to you to prove that it is a historical, and not a fictional account. There is no obligation on us to disprove your fairy-tales.


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