emeraldsforest

Did you not understand my post? It IS a christian pleasure to think that justice will be served to those who are against them. I do not have that pleasure as I do not believe in "What goes around comes around" and I do not believe in a hell.

I am doing FAR from the behavior that he has done and continues to do. You are not being truthful hear and I am very disappointed in you. Re-read my post.

I am calling a DOG a DOG. That fits well within my value system and I am sorry that it is not part of yours. This website is not about forcing me to be part of your dogma. And as far as I know there is no bible for infidels. I know of children committing suicide because of Fallwells actions. Why don't you find nice things to say about Hitler? or Stalin? C'mon, practice what you preach! Should we say nice things about them so we show some kind of sick honor to the dead? You are accusing me for being a hypocrite for saying what I feel, not spreading lies and damaging the minds of youth. If I am guilty of anything it is FOR being honest.

Get a grip I DO have objections to christianity and very strong ones, not just against certain christians. Please prove to me the unambiguous and direct condemnation against hate in the bible? You obviously need to study the bible more. It is COMMANDED that christians hate, not what you say. The word is used over 150 times in the bible and the word enemy 350 times. Don't preach to me about the bible, as you obviously have more studying to do. And by the way, that is another false statement that Falwell bashes atheists because he thinks Stalin is bad. Please present your proof.


Again, re-read my post! I don't think that someone who has worked not only against science for the greater part of his life, but did his best to undermine it, should have the benefits of it. You will not find one instance in my posts where I gloat about his medical condition.

Who is the hypocrite here? As long as there are antagonists, I believe in an us and them. Your virtues may not, but it is your type of virtues that allowed millions and millions of deaths in wars because you choose not to use your common sense and condemn those who hurt others. You would rather take the falsehood of a high road by condemning those who are out there trying to stop the attrocities. It would seem that your virtues is where "It takes two to tango" comes from . Did it take two to tango for the world trade center?

emeralds :down:

post tenebras lux

Everything else is snipped as I have no interesting in talking about Falwell unless we can both assume that Falwell is a christian unless, and until, sensible evidence comes to light to suggest that he isn't. And by sensible I don't mean arguments based upon your particular theological viewpoint.
After all, as an atheist, why would I be that bothered as to whether Falwell successfully jumps through your hoops and satisfied you that he is a true believer in your particular version of the imaginary christian god?

Once again I note your cute use of words Seebs and wonder if you could be so charitable as to extend them to Hitler? Can I now record your view on Hitler's christianity as 'I am inclined to assume Hitler was a Christian; I tend to take people at face value on such questions'?

Sorry, but I beg to differ.

You appeared to think that this thread had serious content (certainly after you had posted even if not before). Your saying that you felt it deserved a response in-thread seems to confirm this.
I assumed you thought your post had serious content - that's why I was replying to it. [I also thought that Emeralds' post had serious content, and was also planning to reply to that one].
As a forum Mod had just contributed to a thread, wouldn't the other forum Mods assume that at least one Mod (you in this case) felt that the thread had serious content?

And yet, the main page lists Elsewhere as:So, no, I don't understand why the GRD Mods would send it to Elsewhere unless your post actually had no serious content and you had informed the other GRD Mods who were on-line accordingly (as per Pervy's post).

Luxie

Mediancat

AHEM:

Knock off the discussion of the thread move now. If you want to continue it, take it to Problems & Complaints.

This is not a request.

Rob aka Mediancat
IIDB admin

seebs

I don't see that it makes any difference.

No. Hitler bashed Christianity and promoted other belief systems. Falwell's just an ass.

(Questions about the thread move belong in P&C.)

emeraldsforest

Please provide the evidence that Hitler bashed christianity. Wasn 't Hitler an alterboy in his church? There is also a great book about Pope Pious and Hitler.

Hitler may have sought other religious paths, but with almost half of the Germans being catholic and have of the Germans being protestant, hardly would he have gained such political power bashing christianity, at least publicly. His personal views certainly changed over the years, but do you deny the similarities between he and Falwell:

Jerry Falwell does hurt people, he is not just an ass. In my opinion Ted Nugent and Dan Quale are asses, but I don't see them going around hurting society.

Seebs you have some major issues facing the reality that many infidels here on this website think differently than you and should not have to face you as their "God" deciding morals for them.

You have accused me of being a hypocrite. All you have proved, is that you disapprove of my point of view. Can't you be adult enough to apologize to me? Or maybe your value system is so high, it doesn't include apologies.

And lastly about your hangup on christianity. The "Love thy neighbor as thyself" is not original to the New Testament, it is taken from the book of Deuteronomy and refers to your neighbors as those on your street who are part of the same tribe. You will find many times more how you should hate your enemies who hate you and your "God". This was a tribal time where building energies of distrust of your neighboring tribes, built up the fighting energies so that you could go in and defeat them more easily.

In revelation does "Jesus" come back to spread love to those who don't believe in him? No, He comes back with a SWORD!

And what about that quote: "Love thine enemies" from the New Testament. This statement is hostile inately. Who are your enemies? Other humans? Why not just leave it at: Love all humans? Oh, that verse you won't find anywhere in the bible at all. And "Jesus" loves you isn't in the bible anywhere either. Your children should be put to death if they curse you is though! Great values


emeralds :banghead:

rigorist

"Who is my neighbor?"

seebs

We've done this before. Short answer: Whether or not you like the author's biases, Carroll's Christianity on Trial discusses Hitler's religion enough to leave me unable to form an affirmative opinion, but willing to say that the face value evidence is too weak and/or ambiguous.

Indeed.

No.

And if Hitler were in the hospital, and someone were gloating about how much he deserved to suffer, I would react the same way.

Well, I figured at least you'd believe I existed. :P

Seriously, I have no authority to tell you what to do. But if you do mean things, I will probably comment on them.

You don't have to agree, or care what I think. You don't have to give a flying fuck at the moon. I'm just some guy.

But you're still gloating over an old man's suffering.

I can apologize if I have hurt your feelings. Nonetheless, your treatment of Falwell is no better than his treatment of the people he likes to bash and gloat over.

This is the worst analysis I have ever seen. Read the actual passage. I'll give you a head start; it's in Luke 10.

Now read the part where Jesus answers the question "who is my neighbor".

In the Old Testament, you see people talking about that a lot. In the New Testament, Jesus chews people out, saying they should love their enemies too.

Look! Over there! Context! ... No, too late, it got away.

Because people turn around and say "well, obviously that doesn't include my enemies". Everyone loves to return evil with evil. For instance, someone I saw recently started gloating over Falwell's likely impending death.

If you can't tell the NT and OT apart, you probably ought to refrain from commenting on what "Christianity" teaches.

I mean, you can keep going. Honestly, I've seen worse from evangelical Christians.

But you'd look a lot cooler if you had better familiarity with the text before arguing from it. Or you could just not argue from it.

emeraldsforest

{Edited} Making fun of someones name is not gloating over a misfortune they have come across.

{Edited} You can't come up with a SINGLE post where I claim Jerry Falwell deserves to suffer! {Edited} You know damned good and well I said. I said in a perfect world, he would not be allowed to seek modern scientific help, and you know why; because he has
spent a great part of his life, spreading lies and trying to undermine the modern scientific community. In a perfect world he would have to depend on prayers and his "God" for help, proving to the world his propaganda bull is just that, bull.


If I complained about Falwell calling people names, or gloated over his suffering that would be different, but this is not the case {Edited}. Besides, you are the one stating that Jerry Falwell is on his deathbed, not me. His risks from pneumonia are low compared to people in their nineties.

Um.... The passage about children cursing their parents IS IN THE NEW TESTAMENT! Believe me, you hold nothing on me when it comes to bible knowledge nor what christianity teaches, but that would be another time if I thought you had the slightest clue, but you don't, so I won't bother. And I can admit when I am wrong to you I apologize the moment I realize I am wrong. You obviously don't have this as part of your value system. So don't bother writing to me again please {Edited}.

emeralds :down:

rigorist

Ditto? Is that you?

No! It's Ottid, from the universe where Spock has a beard!

Dean Anderson

If this thread does not get a lot more civil - and quickly - then it will be closed.

Just because this is in ~~Elsewhere~~ does not mean that the normal rules don't apply.