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Don't get too excited. It will just be another 'strawberry' coming our way much like the scientific discoveries of Darwin and Galileo that completely missed the metaphysics of the story. It certainly will be more food for thought to strengthen unbelief and that might just slow down a civilization that is on the run.
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On the fire in Rome. That was what is known as a blow-up. It's doubtful modern fire fighting methods could have stopped it. It is also very possible that speculators did not start any fires. I'm sure there were a few arsonists, but spot fires would have been common.
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On the fire in Rome. That was what is known as a blow-up. It's doubtful modern fire fighting methods could have stopped it. It is also very possible that speculators did not start any fires. I'm sure there were a few arsonists, but spot fires would have been common.
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"To my astonishment, the Passion and the whole Gospel had a truly Roman context, and they do lead back to Julius Caesar.’" see also on the bottom of the translators' page: http://www.carotta.de/esub/interpre.html#tommie |
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There is an interesting linguistic note from the book on that website as to how Gaius Julius became Jesus. http://www.carotta.de/subseite/texte/jwc_e/vp.html [90] Gaius Iulius as a proper name cannot endure: it is too long. Proper names shrink in usage to a maximum length of two syllables. Johannes becomes Jannis, Jean, Sean, Ian or John, etc. and if officialdom tries to preserve the full form it shrinks just as much in practise—so the German Johannes to Hans for example, or the Italian Giovanni becomes Gianni; of course Johannes can be abbreviated according to the modern trend to Jo but it has to become shorter. The same thing happens to other names with three or more syllables: Margarita becomes Margit or Rita, Joseph can remain (it only has two syllables, but there is in German the option of Sepp), but Giuseppe (three syllables) becomes Beppe, Francesco becomes Franco, Checco, Paco or Franz etc. (but François can remain): always the maximum of two syllables. The same tendency toward one or two syllables can be observed in the names of towns: Colonia becomes Köln, Confluentes Koblenz, Mogontiacum Mainz, Forum Livii becomes Forlì etc. Gaius Iulius has four syllables. The abbreviations, only Gaius or only Iulius, rule themselves out because they would lead to confusions. The name has to contract itself. As a comparison Forum Iulii, which became Fréjus, could help us to understand the process (apparently the vulgar tongue started from the undeclined basic form F orum Iulius: Forum Iulius > Fre-jus). This shows that the second link of our combination Iulius becomes -ius (-jus). The unaccented middle syllable then fades (cf. i. a. Pope (1934): vigilare > veiller; regina > reine; nigrum > noir; legere > lire, etc.). So Gaius Iulius will have as an intermediate stage Gais-jus. The initial soft ‘g’ becomes ‘j’, whereas the spirant ‘s’ absorbs the semivowel ‘j’ of the second link; then the accented vowel in the first link closes itself to ‘e’ (especially in the case of the Greek Gaios, because it is understood as a dialectal version of gêios —pronunciation ‘ghêios’—Dorean gavio" / Attean ghvio"): Iêsus, Greek IHCOYC. Gaius Iulius > Gais-jus > Iêsus > IhsouV. Gaius Julius and Jesus can be one and the same name, the one in its elaborate form and the other in the everyday one. |
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"Interesting linguistic note"?
More like huge heap of bollocks. True, names change over time, but not *that* much in the time between Caesar's death and Paul's epistles; and we already have a perfectly good and much less implausible explanation for the name Jesus. The sound changes proposed are completely ad-hoc. He suggests that 1,000 years of sound change between Latin and French/Italian could all have happened in less than 100 years for this one word? Big pile of rubbish. |
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there is no problem for those changes to occurr within a few generations. And the two explanations for the name Jesus are not mutually exclusive. For expertise on the matter maybe better ask this guy: http://www.carotta.de/esub/preface.html |
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