rmadison

*waving arms*

Hey, don't forget about me Magus!

I asked you on page 1, three different questions, and so far, you haven't been able to come up with anything better than, "Goddidit".

If that's how you want to play, fine. I'd rather know now that you are incapable of carrying on a rational debate, than invest hours in an education that would obviously be wasted on you.

So, if your answer to these questions:

(1) How long was the flood, and when was the ground dry again?

(2) How is it possible to build a seaworthy, wooden boat, approximately 450ft long?

(3) Where did all the water come from and where did it go?

...Is, "Don't know, Goddidit", please just go ahead and say so.

Also, recognize, these are just *my* questions to you. There are a host of other questions/concerns being raised, and I haven't seen you deal with any of them yet?

Maybe you should hang out in the shallow end of the pool until you learn to swim in the deep end?

Just a suggestion.

Jeremy Pallant

Magus, Weltall. Chill.

Take a deep breath, okay.

A couple of us have posted links to historical information regarding wooden ships of very large size.

So, there is a historical precedent for you to deal with. Why not start with that, and then argue whether or not two of each kind, plus supplies could have been accomodated in a single vessel of such size?

rmadison

You know...a billion cubic miles of water would form a sphere about the size of Pluto...

Where did it come from?

Where did it go?

(Imagining the "answer" to both questions will be something along the lines of: Don't know...goddidit.)

Magus55

[QUOTE]Originally posted by bagfullofsnakes
[B]*waving arms*

Hey, don't forget about me Magus!

I asked you on page 1, three different questions, and so far, you haven't been able to come up with anything better than, "Goddidit".

Yes, because rational debates go over so well on this board? God is fake, you are stupid and delusional. What a debate . And just what are you trying to educate me on? I've been on this board quite a while now and have heard every argument from atheists. Guess what, my faith and belief only got stronger. So whats your goal here?

I already answered these questions.

1) The flood covered the Earth for over a year before the waters completely subsided.

2) What do you mean how is it possible? Jeremy already pointed out the chinese built boats bigger than that.

3) I'm sure you'll dismiss these explanations, or not even bother to read them but:


Where the water came from


Where the water went

I see. So you can claim to not know where the universe came from, or how life originated. But if we don't know something, we are no longer worth talking to? Thanks, just wanted to make sure I got your double standard correctly.

Because I've dealt with them all before, and they get brought up by atheists incessantly. Do you expect my answer to change every time the same questions are brought up? I give you an explanation to the best of my ability. If you don't accept it, then you don't accept it. I'm not here to appease atheist's repetitive arguments with what they want to hear.

16 posts and already pulling out the insults? Should I feel special?

rmadison

Sheesh Jeremy!

We're just trying to figure out if the damn thing could float...period!

And now you wanna' load it up with a bunch of animals and supplies!



Oh wait...I guess that is critical to the story. Nevermind. Proceed.

Magus55

I'm curious as to where you are getting your billion cubic miles of water from?

cjack

*waving arms, too*

Kids, we have to establish something before we bother to proceed:

Does Magus accept the Biblical account of the Flood as unquestionable?

From what I've read, Magus accepts the Biblical account as the "word of God," and no amount of that pesky "reason" will make him question the literal truth of said account.

Magus has set the standard of evidence at a rather unreasonable level...

In order to even begin to question the account of the Flood as written in the Bible, you must first conclusively prove God does not exist.

This is unlikely, as Magus quite clearly stated that, reason be damned, he's going to believe in God.



Trying to reason with a person who thinks that reason is overrated is a bit problematic, to say the least...

:banghead:

Biff the unclean

Cheng Ho solved the problem the way sailors have always solved problems like this. Sea stories. Probably had some mermaids on board his fabulous giant ships to add ballast.
Neither Noah nor Cheng Ho could make a wooden ship of those dimenisons and have it be sea worthy. There were no lost fifteenth century Chinese ship building techniques that were unknown in the nineteenth or twenty-first.

"Yep. matey," Ho would say with his thumbs in his suspenders,"they may have cut off my balls but I've got a big boat. A really big boat. Arrr ha Har"

rmadison

Oh, I see. So, the more evidence presented to you, the deeper you dig your heels in.

OK - I got you pretty well pegged now.

I think you meant to say, "answered" those questions.

Oh, so you just ignore the little problem of the Ark coming to rest on Mt. Ararat 3 months before the tops of the first mountains were seen?

Who am I kidding? Of course you do.

What Jeremy didn't tell you is that those boats are mythical. There is no known evidence that they ever existed at all.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/sultan/archeology2.html

Treasure ships a myth?
Nothing in the archeological record so far provides direct evidence for anything like the Ming Dynasty's treasure ships, and one must apply the same empirical skepticism normally used in evaluating archeological claims to accounts of these ships. Did nine-masted ships over 400 feet long really accomplish these fabled voyages?

Already read, and dismissed them, thanks.


Um...can anyone say "unrelated tangent"?

I wouldn't say you aren't worth talking to at all...just barely worth talking to. For entertainment purposes of course.

Nope. I don't expect you to change your stance one iota. Like I said, I got you pretty well pegged now.

Hmmm...then why are you here?

Oh, I see. You must think that these are the first 16 posts I've ever created online?

Did I miss the "minimum required posts before calling bullshit" rule somewhere?

I'm sure you already do.

Even if you don't, I feel your special.

Jeremy Pallant

Okay, Biff.

With regard to Cheng Ho. How big were his ships?

You scoff, but the concensus seems to be that his ships were much larger than anything Europeans could build at the time. I've not read anything to dispute that.

I am perfectly willing to admit that his ships were not necessarily as big as claimed. Frankly I don't care. I just reported what seemed to be a conservative figure.

On the other hand, do you question the size of Columbus' ships?

Columbus was a generation removed from Cheng Ho, but from the perspective of history, the mythology you elect to wrap around Cheng Ho would surely wrap around Columbus as well. Both are equally removed from the 21st century.