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spin · 08-21-2009, 01:20 AM

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Do you have a reference for Jesus that does not in some way relate to the gospel stories and/or epistles?

Q

Translated, this means "no, I've only got a theory".

spin

Vinnie · 08-21-2009, 01:36 AM

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Q

Translated, this means "no, I've only got a theory".

spin

Relativity is only a theory.

dog-on · 08-21-2009, 03:07 AM

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Here you have a problem. Do you have a reference for Jesus that does not in some way relate to the gospel stories and/or epistles?

I, personally have never seen one.

This being the case, one could say, you have no evidence whatsoever for a "Jesus behind the NT".

Of course, you could simply make one up.

Q

Vinnie

I see. You simply made one up.

spin · 08-21-2009, 04:50 AM

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Q

Translated, this means "no, I've only got a theory".

Relativity is only a theory.

That's just another thing you need to admit you don't understand.

spin

IamJoseph · 08-21-2009, 06:45 AM

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You're right Joseph. MILLIONS and MILLIONS have been murdered in Jesus name just as BILLIONS and BILLIONS have been murdered in Yahweh's name. "God" is a bloodthirsty tyrant with a death-cult following.

Its about time a certain someone got knocked off their high horse...

The one who's incorrect falls. There is a difference killings by people and killings by God. Study some history.

spamandham · 08-21-2009, 07:45 AM

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Translated, this means "no, I've only got a theory".

spin

Relativity is only a theory.

Relativity is a theory, because it's testable. Q is not a theory, it's a hypothesis, because it is not testable.

bupanishad2012 · 08-21-2009, 08:26 AM

There was no "J" in any language until about the 17th Century, so NO he did not exist, as such. Perhaps as Yahshua or something like that. (This obviates Jehovah, too). Anyway, the question should be: Is there anyone alive in any way today who was ever dead and buried (or cremated, etc.)? The answer has to be "NO"!
Andrew

dragoon · 08-21-2009, 09:25 AM

Forget the Christ bit. This Jesus fellow was "anointed" by a church he never belonged to long after the time of his alleged existence.

I think the probability is pretty high that there was a whole school of thought probably begun by a real person, but the "person" called Jesus (and his "teachings) is (are) really an amalgamation of (from) many individuals. Either that or the poor fellow had a serious multi-personality complex.

I'm voting for "don't know" because all I know is that I know nothing.

bupanishad2012 · 08-21-2009, 09:32 AM

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Forget the Christ bit. This Jesus fellow was "anointed" by a church he never belonged to long after the time of his alleged existence.

I think the probability is pretty high that there was a whole school of thought probably begun by a real person, but the "person" called Jesus (and his "teachings) is (are) really an amalgamation of (from) many individuals. Either that or the poor fellow had a serious multi-personality complex.

I'm voting for "don't know" because all I know is that I know nothing.

Thank you, Socrates! Now tell us what you really think! LOL

bacht · 08-21-2009, 09:40 AM

After 70 ce and especially after 135 ce Jews or Christians wouldn't wish to upset the Romans again by preaching a traditional messiah (= insurrectionist). Mark was probably trying to be careful in his story not to present a character threatening to gentile authorities. In the epistles the action is all in heaven so no problem there.

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bupanishad2012 Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Springfield, Missouri Posts: 54	Jesus-Living? There was no "J" in any language until about the 17th Century, so NO he did not exist, as such. Perhaps as Yahshua or something like that. (This obviates Jehovah, too). Anyway, the question should be: Is there anyone alive in any way today who was ever dead and buried (or cremated, etc.)? The answer has to be "NO"! Andrew

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08-21-2009, 09:25 AM	#58
dragoon Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Left Behind on CA Central Coast May 21, 2011 Posts: 7,942	Forget the Christ bit. This Jesus fellow was "anointed" by a church he never belonged to long after the time of his alleged existence. I think the probability is pretty high that there was a whole school of thought probably begun by a real person, but the "person" called Jesus (and his "teachings) is (are) really an amalgamation of (from) many individuals. Either that or the poor fellow had a serious multi-personality complex. I'm voting for "don't know" because all I know is that I know nothing.

08-21-2009, 09:40 AM	#60
bacht Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Canada Posts: 2,305	After 70 ce and especially after 135 ce Jews or Christians wouldn't wish to upset the Romans again by preaching a traditional messiah (= insurrectionist). Mark was probably trying to be careful in his story not to present a character threatening to gentile authorities. In the epistles the action is all in heaven so no problem there.

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