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The Semitic linguistic root idioms existed long before 'the Hebrew people' came into being or these 'Jewish' texts were composed. You are now attempting to use the content of those late 'Jewish' produced texts to dogmaticly impose and dictate the range and 'acceptable' usages of terms THAT DID NOT ORIGINATE WITH THE 'HEBREWS' OR WITH THESE 'JEWISH' TEXTS. Your 'Abraham' the 'Hebrew' was a Johnny-come-lately on the religious scene, the religious terms and titles he employed came from his contemporary non-Jewish cultures. |
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Usage dictates the referents, not etymology. This is one of the most fundamental rules of lexicography.
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I'm far more aware of where these terms come from than you, and the meanings of words change constantly because of usage. The notion that the original meaning is the only meaning is a punchline, not a legitimate linguistic framework. |
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You choose to 'buy into' these latter 'Jewish' invented altered interpretations and limitations even though you openly admit that you know that they change and obscure the origins and the original extensive and culturally inclusive applications of the terms. I do not so consider myself obligated to assist the religion of Judaism in the pilfering and exclusionary co-opting of a formerly inclusive religious heritage open to all. |
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This is a level of religious bigotry I never thought I'd see. You're actually getting upset with the Jews for lexical misappropriation? Are you not aware that all cultures in the ancient Near East did this? |
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But the Hebrew Bible clearly reveals many situations that show that large segements of the Hebrew population held to beliefs and practices that the faction which composed the Hebrew Biblical texts forcefully suppressed, quite often by means of mass fratricide. Of course the beliefs of the Hebrews peoples changed over time, when all dissenting opinions were effectively silenced by extermination those segments of the populace, or were forced into conformity to the demands and extortions of Jewish Yahwhisim at the point of a sword. The original HEBREW hill tribes were not 'Jewish', and did not practice the 'Jewish' Biblical form of religion. The Jewish 'Bible' as much as states that fact. |
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You're taking a quite inconsistent and naive approach to reconstructing Israelite history. |
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You are ignoring the content of your texts.
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12-29-2011, 07:17 AM | #18 |
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I'm doing absolutely no such thing. I have extensively studied the Semitic background of the Hebrew words used in reference to God, including אל קנא ,אל קנה ,אלהים ,אל ,עליון ,יהוה ,אלוה ,שדי ,אל עולם and numerous others, with an eye specifically to their biblical context as well as their Northwest, East Semitic, and/or afro-Asiatic literary contexts. I actually understand the languages involved in this endeavor as well. You very clearly have not, and do not, so don't confuse your own ignorance on this matter for my lack of preparation.
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כי יסיתך אחיך בן־אמך או־בנך או־בתך או אשת חיקך או רעך אשר כנפשך בסתר לאמר נלכה ונעבדה אלהים אחרים אשר לא ידעת אתה ואבתיך׃
מאלהי העמים אשר סביבתיכם הקרבים אליך או הרחקים ממך מקצה הארץ ועד־קצה הארץ׃ לא־תאבה לו ולא תשמע אליו ולא־תחוס עינך עליו ולא־תחמל ולא־תכסה עליו׃ כי הרג תהרגנו ידך תהיה־בו בראשונה להמיתו ויד כל־העם באחרנה׃ |
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וישלח יהוא בכל־ישראל ויבאו כל־עבדי הבעל ולא־נשאר איש אשר לא־בא ויבאו בית הבעל וימלא בית־הבעל פה לפה׃
ויבאו לעשות זבחים ועלות ויהוא שם־לו בחוץ שמנים איש ויאמר האיש אשר־ימלט מן־האנשים אשר אני מביא על־ידיכם נפשו תחת נפשו׃ ויהי ככלתו לעשות העלה ויאמר יהוא לרצים ולשלשים באו הכום איש אל־יצא ויכום לפי־חרב וישלכו הרצים והשלשים This is but one of the examples of how dissent from Yahwhisim was dealt with. |
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