Elijah

He wasn’t presenting himself as the messiah but as an apostle of the man whose sacrifice he is imitating via Stephen’s imitation.

Now again please answer the question I have been asking you and stop dodging.

aa5874

So, why was Stephen not worshipped as a God?

Wasn't Stephen imitating suicide man?

And tell me who was suicide man imitating?

Tell me more about suicide man, I want to destroy him and shred him to bits. Keep talking.

Elijah

Because he is remembered as the first martyr not a messiah.

It would seem so.

Good question. He's not imitating anyone that I know of, he's trying to fulfill a messiah claim. But how exactly he came up with the idea is debatable. Codrus maybe.

Why do you want to destroy him and shred him to bits? Something personal? Is that why you can't look at this objectively with reason? You shouldn't let personal biases get in the way of rational thought.

Again please answer the question.

aa5874

Why do you think Stephen was the first martyr? Who is the origin of the Stephen story? Who remembered Stephen?

Are you aware that Acts of the Apostles is filled with mythical tales? This is the same book wherein it is written that the offspring of the Holy Ghost, Jesus, ascended through the clouds witnessed by his disciples.

This book has in it the mythical fable of the conversion of Saul/Paul where the offspring of the Holy Ghost called Jesus blinded him with a bright light and put some kind of scales on his eyes.


Why is Stepen not a myth, the book is filled with mythical fables?


So, that's the end of suicide man.
You even don't know how he was confused as a God. You are really confused.

You have destroyed suicide man for me.

You have any more theories?

Elijah

What reason is there to think Stephen is a myth?

I explained how he was confused for a god. By people like yourself who are completely unfamiliar with the philosophical principals reducing his story to supernatural nonsense.

I haven't destroyed suicide man for you I haven't been able to explain it to you yet. It's hard to get someone to use reason when they have a bias towards the information.
How about yours?? How about answering the questions asked of you instead of trying to disguise the fact that you have no theory or reason to support what you believe.

All ask again... fifth time I think.

aa5874

Well, if you cannot explain suicide man, your theory will self-destruct.

Elijah

Could the same be said for your mythical man that you refuse to answer basic questions like? What reason to do you have to believe in a mythical core if you have no reason to believe there wasn't a historical core and no theory to support a mythical origin?

What do you need explained about suicide man again?

Toto

Please stop the broken record.

I have a reason to believe that there was no historical core. In the first place, if there was a historical core the the gospels, that historical person is lost and cannot be recovered - he is an entirely hypothetical construct who left no evidence behind. In the second place, the entire gospel story appears to make more sense as a story written after the military defeats of the Jews.

There are many theories that support a mythical origin. aa5874 might not be able to articulate one to your particular satisfaction, but that's your problem.

aa5874

Your theory have self-destructed. Suicide man is inexplicable.

Elijah

Aa5874, I guess since you don't want to answer the questions or present your theory and Toto is tired of the broken record this conversation should probably come to an end now. :wave: