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Old 01-28-2012, 02:03 PM   #11
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Not Jesus incorporeal but the 'water like rock' for us to walk on, as that is what heaven is all about where the sea is no longer.

Consequently it was wrong for Moses to part those waters to get into the promised land but should have 'walked on top' of the celestial sea instead, as Jesus taught peter to do.

Note that 'water was put' aside in a basin as knowledge retained to provide dry land for us to walk on [along the road dust of the sun], and were banned from Eden to gather more knowlede that created the sea of Galilee where the messiah movement takes place later, and so we must walk on that water to get out of Galilee but not part that water in haste, which still is very popular today.
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It English remarkable like when water walking is.
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Incorporeal was your choice of words while I am suggesting that the water was not wet.

Clearly the wetness of water is temperature dependent.
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Incorporeal was your choice of words while I am suggesting that the water was not wet.

What Constitutes a Human Jesus?

Maria Magdalene is the person to answer, what is human about Jesus?

But the sacred politburo has created a good imitation of the Orwellian world and Maria the Gorgeous will remain silent forever.
When meaning becomes redundant any word will serve.
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What Constitutes a Human Jesus?
A ChrisKabob?
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What Constitutes a Human Jesus?
I will finish this later but to be human is to be born by way of conception in the womb of a female and Jesus was not conceived like that because Mary was not a female but 'the woman' who was taken from man and never was named but remained woman as opposite to human who was banned from Eden while the woman was not.

So woman here is the nucleus of the cell wherein life was conceived in the conscious mind of Joseph and Jesus here is now is reborn from the parthenos of that stemcell. That so is who Elizabeth was in Luke and will be the Alpha of Jesus and Mary was was sum total of her input tied down in the life of Joseph and so is the Omega to be added by way of blood. So then Alpha is water and Omega is blood to designate this generations worth of contributions made that also must be raised because this guy had 12 shepherds and was no 'push-over' but a wily carpenter indeed with 12 shepherds to convert into disciples.

You can say that Mary was the Star of Bethlehem which is the same path the Magi followed in Matthew but ended up at his 'justice' as chief of state at the very last moment, and so is is why Herod was not part of Luke. The star of Bethlehem spells the path of illumination in the mind of Joseph (if that makes any more sense to you).

A human Jesus would be from his mothers womb untimely ripped.
Jesus was aborted?
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A ChrisKabob?

Fail.

Here there are some model answers

http://www.freeratio.org/showthread.php?t=310936
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A human Jesus would be from his mothers womb untimely ripped.

I like very much your reply to the incorporeal Jesus .It is like saying that water is not wet.

The complexity of theology, whether Christian, Muslim, Hindu etc, is beyond me, but I will say that Jesus was a man and for some he was also a god.

Alexander was a man and he was also the son of god for some. It is easy to understand
Yes water is knowedge retained in the TOL (tree of life) to give us dry land to walk on already in Gen. 1:6, after first life was created in 3, and also 'life as opposed to death' in verse 4. Then in verse 6 the mind of man is the sea to give him dry land to gain more knowledge to be retained in the TOL. It is all imagery, yes, and true in this paradigm for each one of us.

Today we would call that our soul wherein is held that part of us that we do not know, and so is why some people deny their own soul because it is just not an organ that they can touch. We call these Materialist while this is an Idealist recipe to read, similar to if if you are going to desing a house you must have the idea in your mind first or it would all be done by accident, like watches are made in the desert, or so the argument goes, without thinking about it first. So then it goes without saying that creation is always ex-nihilo in the mind of man that we call God from a distance.

So then in Gen.1 the of essence of Man was created with the 'God said' and in Gen.2 this essence takes 'Form' now with corporeal substance as Man in the image of God and then in Gen.3 'like god' was created by conjecture only in the TOK (tree of knowledge), and was never formed to have substance because the TOL was occupied by the woman who was taken from man . . . to say only that the TOL was needed to gain 'sense perception and intelligence' so he could think for himself and gain more knowldge and riches so as to add beauty to knowledge with distinction in effort to gain dominion, etc. and more.

The point to understand here is that man and woman never were Adam and Eve nor will they ever be Adam and Eve, but it was the 'like god' image that gained status as Adam and he took the talking serpent to be his wife and called her Eve, and so both of these are an illusion that we call the ego while the Imago belongs to the Man underneath who feels the pain and not the gain because the 'decorated' chest pertains to the ego and not the man as man only, and that is made known in the difference between 'no shame' of Gen. 2:25 and the shame comples after his eyes we opened in Gen:3:7.

As an aside here under hypnosis there is no shame and also no pain.

So now to be human means to be 'earthly' as from outside of Eden where Adam and Eve exist along the light of common day and there go by the TOK or 'reason' to guide their way (note that hu-= humi=earthly and so without hu- is not).

So then for Jesus to be human he must be a product of reason and that can never be true and instead is 'from his mother's womb untimely ripped via Eve instead of the woman. The phrase "from his mothers womb untilely ripped' is from Macbeth who also "wanted to be king hereafter' and you can see how reason was part of that delight.

Here then, Jesus was man and was God but not human, and so was May also not human and therefore sinless as well.

To note here is that 'Jesus is real' and has an 'efficent, material and final cause and hence the manifestation is real for both a human and a not human Jesus, and the word 'ripped' only makes reference to the rational component of the efficent cause that called it to be an event.

Next would be the definition of 'real' which here relates to beauty only and this would be the beauty of truth and the rest is illusion and so it is all metaphysis that pertains to the argument only but makes the illusion mobile for sure.
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Incorporeal was your choice of words while I am suggesting that the water was not wet.

Clearly the wetness of water is temperature dependent.
Not if water is knowledge retained in the soul.
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[Jesus was aborted?
Oxford says that that is not possible for Macbeth because that wass not in practice back then.
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It English remarkable like when water walking is.
Yes but be careful becasue snakes can talk here too.
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