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Old 05-02-2009, 02:09 PM   #51
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Jewish-Christians who actually could read Hebrew didn't believe in the virgin birth and divinity of Jesus. Both of those concepts depend wholly on a non-Hebrew (e.g. Greek) reading of the Hebrew text.
The Ebionites were not Jewish Christians. . .

Jesus started the Church with the 12 disciples and the Birthing of the Church on the day of Penticost was in the HOLY GHOST. . . Jesus even told Nichodemus that you must be born of the Spirit in order to see the Kingdom of Heaven. . . That which is flesh is flesh and that which is Spirit is Spirit. . . Jesus was Born From Above, Born of the Holy Ghost, Born as Peter said, "Of the Incorruptible Word of God." For those who are Christians, it is simple to beleive that Jesus was Born of a Virgin. . . I have been born again by the Holy Ghost just as Jesus said in John 3:3.

I see what I have experienced to be fact - something that cannot be disqualified by anothers words. . .

Peter said to Jesus, "You are the Christ, the Son of the Living God."

Jesus said, "Upon this ROCK I will build my Church. . ."
This is all preaching.

The Ebionites weren't Jewish-Christians because... you say so? Wow. Color me unconvinced.

The "day of Pentecost" is only found in Acts of the Apostles; a 2nd century fiction that tries to reconcile Paul with the original "disciples". No Christians prior to the late 2nd century mention anything about a "day of Pentecost". Acts of the Apostles was probably written by the same author who created our current "Luke" to steal Paul away from the Marcionites and bring him to the proto-Orthodox.

The "born again/from above" conversation only makes sense in Greek. This is the only way Nicodemus would have had confusion over being "born again". Why would a "leader of the Pharisees" and Jesus be talking to each other in common Greek? The conversation could have never happened. Notice that John 3 is the only chapter in John that talks about the "Kingdom of God"; this phrase doesn't occur anywhere else in this gospel making it more than likely an interpolation by a "later" scribe. Some scholars think that the original template for the gospel of John was actually written by the Jewish-Christian Cerinthus, and the writer of the epistle "1 John" edited Cerinthus' work to emphasize the flesh of Christ. Cerinthus was schooled in philosophy in Alexandra, Egypt; the same area as Philo who pioneered the "logos" theology found in John 1.

Also, Jesus only calls Peter the "rock of the 'church'" in Matthew and nowhere else. Mark was supposed to be the disciple and interpreter of Peter, not Matthew. Why would a disciple of Peter not include such a powerful statement about his teacher? Matthew 16:18 is evidence that Matthew was editing Mark to establish authority in the new "church" that was concerned about the delayed parousia.
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The Ebionites were not Jewish Christians. . .

Jesus started the Church with the 12 disciples and the Birthing of the Church on the day of Penticost was in the HOLY GHOST. . . Jesus even told Nichodemus that you must be born of the Spirit in order to see the Kingdom of Heaven. . . That which is flesh is flesh and that which is Spirit is Spirit. . . Jesus was Born From Above, Born of the Holy Ghost, Born as Peter said, "Of the Incorruptible Word of God." For those who are Christians, it is simple to beleive that Jesus was Born of a Virgin. . . I have been born again by the Holy Ghost just as Jesus said in John 3:3.

I see what I have experienced to be fact - something that cannot be disqualified by anothers words. . .

Peter said to Jesus, "You are the Christ, the Son of the Living God."

Jesus said, "Upon this ROCK I will build my Church. . ."
This is all preaching.

The Ebionites weren't Jewish-Christians because... you say so? Wow. Color me unconvinced.

The "day of Pentecost" is only found in Acts of the Apostles; a 2nd century fiction that tries to reconcile Paul with the original "disciples". No Christians prior to the late 2nd century mention anything about a "day of Pentecost". Acts of the Apostles was probably written by the same author who created our current "Luke" to steal Paul away from the Marcionites and bring him to the proto-Orthodox.

The "born again/from above" conversation only makes sense in Greek. This is the only way Nicodemus would have had confusion over being "born again". Why would a "leader of the Pharisees" and Jesus be talking to each other in common Greek? The conversation could have never happened. Notice that John 3 is the only chapter in John that talks about the "Kingdom of God"; this phrase doesn't occur anywhere else in this gospel making it more than likely an interpolation by a "later" scribe. Some scholars think that the original template for the gospel of John was actually written by the Jewish-Christian Cerinthus, and the writer of the epistle "1 John" edited Cerinthus' work to emphasize the flesh of Christ. Cerinthus was schooled in philosophy in Alexandra, Egypt; the same area as Philo who pioneered the "logos" theology found in John 1.

Also, Jesus only calls Peter the "rock of the 'church'" in Matthew and nowhere else. Mark was supposed to be the disciple and interpreter of Peter, not Matthew. Why would a disciple of Peter not include such a powerful statement about his teacher? Matthew 16:18 is evidence that Matthew was editing Mark to establish authority in the new "church" that was concerned about the delayed parousia.
Ebionites started by an early Christian group member: a member of an early Christian group that rejected the teachings of St. Paul and emphasized the Jewish roots of Christianity.

Titus 1:14 (KJV)
14 Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth.

Pauls discourse to Titus could be talking about Jewish fables that are spread by Scholarly men who bring in damnable Philosophies into the Church. . .

How did Paul get stolen from the Ebionites?
The Ebionites brought in false doctrine into the Church and were rejected as Deceivers. . . Causers of Divisions.


Romans 16:17-18 (KJV)
17 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.
18 For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.

Also Peter is not the Rock. . . Jesus is the Rock. . . The Revelation that the Church would be built upon is that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the Living God. . .
This is what Happened in that Verse. . .

Jesus said, "Who do men say that I the Son of man am?"

Then He said, "But, Who do You say that I AM?"

Peter said, "Jesus, You are the CHRIST the Son of the Living God."

Then Jesus said, "Blessed are you, SIMON BARJONA, thou are PETER."

And upon the Revelation that you just gave -THAT I AM THE CHRIST- I will build my Church and the gates of Hell shall not prevail against it. . .

Simon said, Jesus you are Christ. . .
And Jesus said, Simon you are Peter. . .

Or you can flow with the Roman Catholic church down the old dead stream of Kissing SAINT PETERS feet when you go into the CATHEDRAL to worship all of your dead gods. . .
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ugh.

"Paul" did not write the epistle to Titus.

Peter means rock. That's why Jesus said that:

Matthew 16:18
λεγω οτι συ ει πετρος και επι ταυτη τη πετρα οικοδομησω μου την εκκλησιαν
"you are Peter (meaning "rock") and on this rock I'll build my gathering/church"

Jesus is making a play on words between Peter's name "Peter" (meaning rock) and how he's going to build his church on this (meaning Simon Peter) "Peter" (rock), meaning that Jesus is saying Peter is the first pope.
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ugh.

"Paul" did not write the epistle to Titus.

Peter means rock. That's why Jesus said that:

Matthew 16:18
λεγω οτι συ ει πετρος και επι ταυτη τη πετρα οικοδομησω μου την εκκλησιαν
"you are Peter (meaning "rock") and on this rock I'll build my gathering/church"

Jesus is making a play on words between Peter's name "Peter" (meaning rock) and how he's going to build his church on this (meaning Simon Peter) "Peter" (rock), meaning that Jesus is saying Peter is the first pope.
NOOOO. . .

Peter means a peice of Rock. . . And Rock means a Mass of Rock. . .

Peter is a part of the Big Rock in the Lord . . .

The Lords Building. . .

Christ being the Cheif Corner Stone and the Church being all the Members - Built up unto a Spiritual House. . . .

But that is Jesus telling Simon that He is Peter - "A Small rock and then comes the Revelation that Christ is the Mass of Rock that Peter the Little Rock is a Part of. . .

But the Stone that the Builders Rejected has become the Head of the Corner and this is marvellous in my Eyes. . .
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Or you can flow with the Roman Catholic church down the old dead stream of Kissing SAINT PETERS feet when you go into the CATHEDRAL to worship all of your dead gods. . .
Sure, or we can flow with worshipping the KJV as a divine book, and pretending that Protestantism was a return to "primitive" pre-Catholic Christianity
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