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In the first chapter of The "Assumption of Moses", Moses is stated to be pre-existent, the mediator of God's covenant "prepared before the foundation of the world." As Moses death approached, he ordered Joshua (i.e. Jesus) to anoint (christen) his writings. These words were to be preserved until the Visitation of the Lord in the end of days. Joshua was tasked with completing the mission of Moses.
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Since the alleged grave of Moses was unknown (Deut. 34:6), it was assumed he was wafted to heaven. (Or one Moses buried and his double wafted to heaven). It has been suggested that Clement’s Stromata records the lost ending of "The Assumption of Moses." This cannot be definitively proven, because Clement does not say what the source of his tale might be. However, it does make a complete story when the two are read together. Quote:
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None of this contradicts the idea that Moses was superior to Joshua |
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there may have been similar customs in other religions as well. Aretaeus of Cappadocia writes of a kind of mania where: Quote:
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Apparently you think I am stepping on your toes in this this thread. The thought never entered my mind until you started objecting. The NT texts were composed in Greek, and early Christians showed a marked preference, where we can tell the difference, for the Jewish scriptures in Greek. Therefore, the Greek Iesous has priority over the translation into Aramaic. Indeed, I seriously question that there ever was a feet on the ground Aramaic speaking guy behind the figure of gospel Jesus. And just to be clear, I find it even more doubtful that Marcus Agrippa wrote a gospel or sat on a teeny tiny throne. So if you have a point to make, go ahead and make it. |
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I am not so sure there wasn't an Aramaic foundation to Christianity and its writings. At the same time I recognize the influence of the LXX. Nevertheless the LXX agrees with the SP more often than not. Alsi the Marcionite in Adamantius seems to think there were no explicit scriptural citations on the NT so who know? Maybe these are secondary
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Hi jakejonesiv,
This is important stuff. I think that the early history of Christianity only make sense if we assume the term "Jesus Christ" among the earliest Christians referred to the "anointed Joshua," the King/prophet and military leader anointed by Moses to lead the Jews in a military conquest of the promised land. The anointed Joshua cult probably was the Fourth Philosophy that Josephus speaks about. Only after the Bar Kochba rebellion failed in 132-135 did various tales of prophets and apostles of this militaristic cult get composited, confused and revised to give birth to the gospels and New Testament as we now know them. This is where the evidence points. Warmly, Jay Raskin Quote:
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I continued this custom in his honor although I've been considering switching to Jesus H. Seems more respectful. |
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In the transfiguration scene in the gospels, Jesus Christ is joined atop the Mountain by two Old Testament worthies, namely Moses and Elijah. What did Moses and Elijah have in common? They both had, according to the Jewish scriptures, experienced a Theophany atop the Holy Mountain. Elijah 1 Kings 19:8ff , Moses Exodus 24:15ff.
(The Holy Mountain is called "Horeb" according to E and "Sinai" according to J.) But what is often overlooked is that there was a third recipient of Theophany atop the Holy Mountain,.Joshua(=Iesous=Jesus) son of Nun! We have the reunion of the three Old Testament saints who, according to the scriptures, experienced theophany atop the Holy mountain. This cements the connection between Joshua son of Nun and Jesus Christ. Jake |
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I am not following you Jake. None of this changes the fact that Moses is superior to Joshua.
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