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Spanky · 04-21-2006, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Jesse Leigh

Afternoon all!

I *could* refute your arguments, but I won't <consistency edit>

What the F is this? I feel like I'm in Disney World or the Matrix or something.
I'm sorry sir but you can't refute anything. Another thing, we don't understand this kind of language. Seeds and fields and truth and faith and other vague concepts which yeild no meaning. And how do you know so much about this god and what this god wants? I hope someday you will see yourself as I see you now. Stick around. Read. Read a little more. Open yourself and you will see.

Weltall · 04-21-2006, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Jesse Leigh

I *could* refute your arguments, but I won't because my words won't make a difference.

Yeahhhh, sorry to break it to you but unlike some people, we're not close-minded. You present us a compelling argument and we'll listen.

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My job is to give you a seed, and I have done that.

You've laid down some fertilizer alright but there are no seeds here.

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The seed[ is not Professor Greenleaf, the seed is the TRUTH his work contains. (Note: I am not saying that every word he says is true, I *am* saying that his work contains important, enlightening truth, and it does, in fact, prove the authenticity of the Gospels

Did you actually read any of the previous posts before responding? Greenleaf did no such thing.

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When you are ready to receive it (read, are TRULY seeking the TRUTH about God), it will be given to you freely.

So we can't believe the Gospels until we believe them... circular logic much?

Diogenes the Cynic · 04-21-2006, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Jesse Leigh

Afternoon all!

I *could* refute your arguments, but I won't
<Spam and preaching deleted>

If you are not going to respond substantively to the thread then please don't respond at all. You are welcome to disagree but you are not welcome to post content-free spam. Prosyletizing is frowned in this forum as well. Please don't engage in this kind of thing again.

DtC, Moderator, BC&H

TomboyMom · 04-21-2006, 07:59 PM

Why do you think Christians lie so much, like saying Simon Greenleaf was a skeptic when he was in fact a lifelong Christian? What do you think it says about the doctrine they're promoting? If something were true, do you think you would have to lie to promote it?

Why do Christians put something forward as truth or evidence, then when it is competely disproved, not take that as disproof or counter-evidence?

Why do you think they claim they could prove something, if they could be bothered, but they can't? Think it might be because they know they can't?

You don't see atheists going around telling lies like this.

How do you think it reflects on their ethics? Not very well to me.

Jesse Leigh · 04-21-2006, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Spanky

What the F is this? I feel like I'm in Disney World or the Matrix or something.
I'm sorry sir but you can't refute anything. Another thing, we don't understand this kind of language. Seeds and fields and truth and faith and other vague concepts which yeild no meaning. And how do you know so much about this god and what this god wants? I hope someday you will see yourself as I see you now. Stick around. Read. Read a little more. Open yourself and you will see.

Evening!

First, I'm not a "sir," I'm a woman - a grandmother in fact, if that matters.

You say this forum is for Biblical criticism and History and yet you cry foul when one mentions anything the Bible is about. "Seeds, fields, truth, faith," and other words (not "concepts") taken straight from its pages. How do you propose to criticize something when you won't allow the mention of its substance, or the discussion of it?

If, in your eyes, I "know so much about God," it is because I know HIM personally. HE reveals Himself to all who are His children. Simple. If you want Scripture and verse to support this statement, I can provide it, but Scripture hasn't been welcome in my posts so far - on a forum which the administration proports to be for the purpose of "examining the Bible in a scholarly" fashion. Strange.

It appears to me this forum would be better labeled simply, "Biblical criticism," since no discussion is welcome, nor is the history (and validity) of the Bible. Criticism seems to be the only agenda here. Of course, I'd love to be wrong, but so far that's all I'm seeing.

And Mike: Sorry, but no, I'm not a "Universalist." - Jesse.

TomboyMom · 04-21-2006, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Jesse Leigh

Evening!

First, I'm not a "sir," I'm a woman - a grandmother in fact, if that matters.

You say this forum is for Biblical criticism and History and yet you cry foul when one mentions anything the Bible is about. "Seeds, fields, truth, faith," and other words (not "concepts") taken straight from its pages. How do you propose to criticize something when you won't allow the mention of its substance, or the discussion of it?

If, in your eyes, I "know so much about God," it is because I know HIM personally. HE reveals Himself to all who are His children. Simple. If you want Scripture and verse to support this statement, I can provide it, but Scripture hasn't been welcome in my posts so far - on a forum which the administration proports to be for the purpose of "examining the Bible in a scholarly" fashion. Strange.

It appears to me this forum would be better labeled simply, "Biblical criticism," since no discussion is welcome, nor is the history (and validity) of the Bible. Criticism seems to be the only agenda here. Of course, I'd love to be wrong, but so far that's all I'm seeing.

And Mike: Sorry, but no, I'm not a "Universalist." - Jesse.

If by validity you mean truth, then I think a discussion of that would be welcome here. What we don't welcome is preaching based on the assumption that the bible is true. See the difference?

TomboyMom · 04-21-2006, 08:53 PM

Jesse:

You're going to have a hard time re-establishing your credibility here, though, when you start off by posting something that is false like that. Did you not know you'd been conned? Now that you realize it's a hoax, will you agree to stop disseminating it around the 'net? Thanks.

Diogenes the Cynic · 04-21-2006, 09:17 PM

Jessie, you are the one who posted this topic for discussion. You have now stated that you have no desire to defend your own position and are simply posting non-substantive witnessing and disingenuous complaints about posters who did nothing but respond directly to your OP. Since you are no longer intersted in defending your own OP and since there are already a number of other threads discussing the Greenleaf apologetic, I'm going to close this thing. If you should ever decide that you would like to make a sincere attempt to defend Greenleaf, feel free to start a new thread, but next time STAY ON TOPIC.

This thread is hereby locked.
DtC, Moderator, BC&H

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04-21-2006, 07:59 PM	#14
TomboyMom Contributor Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 10,931	Why do you think Christians lie so much, like saying Simon Greenleaf was a skeptic when he was in fact a lifelong Christian? What do you think it says about the doctrine they're promoting? If something were true, do you think you would have to lie to promote it? Why do Christians put something forward as truth or evidence, then when it is competely disproved, not take that as disproof or counter-evidence? Why do you think they claim they could prove something, if they could be bothered, but they can't? Think it might be because they know they can't? You don't see atheists going around telling lies like this. How do you think it reflects on their ethics? Not very well to me.

04-21-2006, 08:53 PM	#17
TomboyMom Contributor Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 10,931	Jesse: You're going to have a hard time re-establishing your credibility here, though, when you start off by posting something that is false like that. Did you not know you'd been conned? Now that you realize it's a hoax, will you agree to stop disseminating it around the 'net? Thanks.

04-21-2006, 09:17 PM	#18
Diogenes the Cynic Moderator - Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Twin Cities, Minnesota Posts: 4,639	Jessie, you are the one who posted this topic for discussion. You have now stated that you have no desire to defend your own position and are simply posting non-substantive witnessing and disingenuous complaints about posters who did nothing but respond directly to your OP. Since you are no longer intersted in defending your own OP and since there are already a number of other threads discussing the Greenleaf apologetic, I'm going to close this thing. If you should ever decide that you would like to make a sincere attempt to defend Greenleaf, feel free to start a new thread, but next time STAY ON TOPIC. This thread is hereby locked. DtC, Moderator, BC&H

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