outhouse

overated

your correct in that context

But She was talking about jews though, and she is wrong and doesnt hold a real grasp on apocalyptic thinking of the Jews as she claims in error.

the Jews were not at peace in the second century, that statement is laughable really

stephan huller

But this is contradiction. If you are acknowledging that the 'Roman authors' are responsible for altering Christianity how much reliability can be gained from these same sources for establishing the historical existence of Jesus. Surely if the texts and traditions could be used to prevent people from getting laid they could be used to bolster the claim that Jesus was a real person

outhouse

They didnt really alter christianity, they created it from paul on.

the movement in judaism had failed early on.


just because its scripture based on cross culture mythology from cross cultural oral trdaition, doesnt mean its devoid of historicity.

what really helps this fact is that, is that were not dealing with romans creating history hundreds of years in the past, but only decades, leaving historicity to be found.



using the OT as example, its chocked full of cross cultural legends, from influence of other cultures since Israelites were a melting pot of cultures and despite there being hundreds and hundreds of years between the time it was written and when it actually happened, they still can find different levels of histoicity to the legends written in mythology

stephan huller

I will take 'from paul on' because it doesn't get any earlier than that for all intents and purposes. It's like looking for jazz before Louis Armstrong or bossa nova before Jobim. Yes there are bits and pieces but these genres were defined by great individuals.

outhouse

I still place the original legend forming in the oral tradition of judaism

but agree the historicity is slim pickins

J-D

I wonder whether they were glitter berries?

aa5874

Your story is completely made up from your imagination. History is NOT what is imagined.

Your one sentence stories have ZERO Sources of antiquity.

DCHindley

That's interesting, because if that Monk was Thelonius Monk, then he has clearly been raised from the dead and danced a jig.

A miracle!

DCH

credoconsolans

But not all the Jews were apocalyptic. Many were not. In fact modern Christianity is rare in that it is apocalyptic. Islam isn't apocalyptic, neither are many forms of Judaism.

outhouse

understood there were 4 main groups of judaism


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apocalyptic


Jewish apocalypticism holds a doctrine that there are two eras of history: the present era, which is ruled over by evil, and a coming era to be ruled over by God. At the time of the coming era, there will be a messiah who will deliver the faithful into the new era. Due to incidents arising very early on in Jewish history, predictions about the time of the coming of the Jewish messiah were highly discouraged, lest people lose faith when the predictions did not come true during the lifespan of the believer.

Moses of Crete, a rabbi in the 5th century, claimed to be the messiah and promised to lead the people, like the ancient Moses, through a parted sea back to Palestine. His followers left their possessions and waited for the promised day, when, at his command, many cast themselves into the sea, some finding death, others being rescued by sailors.[1]