storytime

Unless it was for political reasons. The only reason I can see for this amazingly supernatural story would have been to fool the Gentiles, and for the purpose of installing a protective barrier for Jerusalem[Jews]. The Gentiles were a gullible people as already evidenced in their worship of many gods. So deceiving the Gentiles into believing in the Hebrew god would not be a difficult undertaking. So Peter set the plan in motion and Paul took the false doctrine to the Gentiles and as he said, they accepted it gladly. What's that about a sucker born every minute?

True enough, as the Jewish tradition believed in a world to come, and this future world to come would also include Gentile nations. However, Peter and Paul took matters a bit further by including the promise to Jews to be the promise of the Gentiles also. So the lie adhered to the Gentile mind that he was equal to the Jew in "promise", but Ezekiel 44:5-9 was not included in Pauls gospel to the Gentiles. A "faith only" doctrine was given and this supplied the protective barrier to the Jewish community. Gentiles would forever consider the Jews as their fellow brothers and so defend them - as much as they could at that time. While in that time the Jews were accusing the Gentiles of persecutions, calling them idolators, sinners, not giving any encouragement to the Gentiles whatsoever. But the Gentiles were taught that all this abuse was part of Gods plan of salvation.

This is the craziest damned story I've ever read. :lol:

kcdad

Like the original gospel of Mark?

kcdad

SO ...you are a believer that God created us a chaotic species, some of whom can be reasonable and others that can not????

arnoldo

It ain't a story, its HIStory. :wave:

kcdad

Here we go again... do you not even stop to think about the stuff you are taught?? How can Jesus ascend into Heaven? Ascend is a physical description of rising from the earth in his physical body into the clouds... INTO THE CLOUDS? Where there is no air? Where it is freezing cold? And then where did he go, into space?

aa5874

But, you must admit that may be your problem. You refuse to accept that Jesus was NOTHING of historical value, even when faced with the internal evidence.

You like the fundamentalists believe that Jesus MUST have existed solely based on your imagination. No amount of evidence or information will ever change your imagined faith based belief.


Having said that Mark may be rather historical, I eagerly await the corroborative sources of antiquity that factually support any historical event with respect to Jesus and his disciples.

You have completely failed to provided external sources for claims about Mark.


Please identify the authentic parts of gMark with respects to Jesus and the disciples, and provide the external sources that can support your claim of authenticity.

I'm afraid you will not be able to do that.


You mean John is a work of fiction or that the theology in gJohn is based on fiction.

You have nothing here but imagination.

Let's look at what is written in the Gospels.

Jesus taught his disciples that he would be killed and raised on the third day.

He was arrested. The disciples ran away and Peter, the supposed bishop of Rome, LIED on three occasions that he knew or was associated with Jesus.

Three days later, the body of Jesus vanished while the disciples were still hiding.

The Jesus story is all over. There should have been no GOOD NEWS. There should have been no Gospel.

It would appear that the authors of Jesus were writing about a supernatural creature. Jesus will just walk through a buliding which was shut tight. Jesus will be completely healed and in perfect health and begin to eat fish. There will be GOOD NEWS after all.

But, the GOOD NEWS is not from the HJ, it is because of the resurrection.

The HJ is a most senseless proposition.

aa5874

Is not Mark 16.6 regarded as original to gMark? It says Jesus resurrected.

arnoldo

So is the following writing a historical or fictional account?

aa5874

You need to ask Paul those questions. Paul did not speak in parables to the Jews and Gentiles and the Pauline writers claimed their Gospel was from Jesus.

So, why did Jesus speak in parables in the first place? Even, if he did not ascend to heaven, did he not realise that after he was dead and gone that others would tell the multitudes why he spoke in parables?

The explanation for talking in parables given by Jesus is just totally ridiculous.

How long did Jesus intend to talk in parables, an eternity?

The Jesus story is highly irrational.

Jesus was neither God nor man. Just fiction or a stupid story.

No Robots

Here is Spinoza's answer:

To those who ask why God did not so create all men, that they should be governed only by reason, I give no answer but this: because matter was not lacking to him for the creation of every degree of perfection from highest to lowest; or, more strictly, because the laws of his nature are so vast, as to suffice for the production of everything conceivable by an infinite intelligence.