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djrafikie · 08-29-2007, 02:00 AM

As a woman I can see a number of issues with this.

For such a society to work you would have to either legitamise abortion completely or illegitamise it, if it were made totally illegal the situation would be untenable for women as they would be subject to a huge numbers of unwanted pregnancy (remember, no form of contraception is 100%).

Men would NEVER know if their partners child was actually their child, or how many children they had.

Women would not be able to get child support, so women who were not in some form of relationship or supported in some other way would suffer extreme financial detriment, as would their children.

The rates of STDS would soar.

Relationships would have to be free of any kind of sexual jelousy, I am in an "unusual" relationship, but even so I still suffer from the odd spat of it, it is only human.

Christina Mirabilis · 08-29-2007, 05:55 AM

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Basically for such a society to work, you need social rather than parental responsibility for children. Once women are not worried about having help for raising children they wouldn't worry about having sex much.

Premjan, do you honestly think that if we didn't have to worry about pregnancy that we would want to sleep with anyone that wanted us to? Do you think that's the only reason that a woman would decline to have sex with someone? I can tell you that the worry of pregnancy doesn't even surface for me unless I desire them in the first place.

djrafikie · 08-29-2007, 06:04 AM

LOLz, I say no for all kinds of reasons!
Hint guys, PERSONAL HYGEINE is one of the top five no-no reasons.
Being generally not-attractive-to-me or plain stupid are also up there.

Anyhow, mostly I ask, men b*gger around for ages and I can't be bothered with games.

premjan · 08-29-2007, 06:06 AM

No, I didn't mean that that would make women want to sleep with everyone, but it would make them slightly less anxious about the issue.

Christina Mirabilis · 08-29-2007, 06:10 AM

I'd agree that it would make us slightly less anxious about pregnancy once we chose to have sex with them (assuming that you don't want to provide for and raise them yourself or have an abortion.) It would have absolutely no bearing on who I did and didn't want to have sex with, though.

I don't think that I've been conditioned to be picky as mysterious seems to think. I have an instant, visceral reaction to not want someone inside me that is not of my choosing, and what they want in that situation is irrelevant to me.

Hyndis · 08-29-2007, 06:36 AM

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Mysterious · 08-29-2007, 09:34 AM

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LOLz, I say no for all kinds of reasons!
Hint guys, PERSONAL HYGEINE is one of the top five no-no reasons.
Being generally not-attractive-to-me or plain stupid are also up there.

Anyhow, mostly I ask, men b*gger around for ages and I can't be bothered with games.

forget personal hygeine. EVERYBODY MEANS EVERYBODY REGARDLESS!

Aesthete · 08-29-2007, 10:27 AM

I like this idea -- only if everybody were attractive.

Rusting Car Bumper · 08-29-2007, 10:54 AM

"(Why) Do You Resist Sexual Requests?"

Very simple. I am not controlled merely by my base biological desires.

Tempering one's sexual nature (and other base natures for that matter) does not have its origin in Puritanical religious dogma but in the evolution of humans becoming more than simple stimuli-response creatures.

DC

Daisy · 08-29-2007, 11:09 AM

For women, a huge part of sexual liberation is being able to choose not to have sex whenever they want to not have it.

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08-29-2007, 02:00 AM	#21
djrafikie Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: u.k, back of beyond, we have scones and cream teas Posts: 2,534	As a woman I can see a number of issues with this. For such a society to work you would have to either legitamise abortion completely or illegitamise it, if it were made totally illegal the situation would be untenable for women as they would be subject to a huge numbers of unwanted pregnancy (remember, no form of contraception is 100%). Men would NEVER know if their partners child was actually their child, or how many children they had. Women would not be able to get child support, so women who were not in some form of relationship or supported in some other way would suffer extreme financial detriment, as would their children. The rates of STDS would soar. Relationships would have to be free of any kind of sexual jelousy, I am in an "unusual" relationship, but even so I still suffer from the odd spat of it, it is only human.

08-29-2007, 06:04 AM	#23
djrafikie Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: u.k, back of beyond, we have scones and cream teas Posts: 2,534	LOLz, I say no for all kinds of reasons! Hint guys, PERSONAL HYGEINE is one of the top five no-no reasons. Being generally not-attractive-to-me or plain stupid are also up there. Anyhow, mostly I ask, men b*gger around for ages and I can't be bothered with games.

08-29-2007, 06:06 AM	#24
premjan Obsessed Contributor Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: NJ Posts: 61,538	No, I didn't mean that that would make women want to sleep with everyone, but it would make them slightly less anxious about the issue.

08-29-2007, 06:10 AM	#25
Christina Mirabilis Banned Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 5,676	I'd agree that it would make us slightly less anxious about pregnancy once we chose to have sex with them (assuming that you don't want to provide for and raise them yourself or have an abortion.) It would have absolutely no bearing on who I did and didn't want to have sex with, though. I don't think that I've been conditioned to be picky as mysterious seems to think. I have an instant, visceral reaction to not want someone inside me that is not of my choosing, and what they want in that situation is irrelevant to me.

08-29-2007, 10:27 AM	#28
Aesthete Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: South Jersey Posts: 1,825	I like this idea -- only if everybody were attractive.

08-29-2007, 10:54 AM	#29
Rusting Car Bumper Banned Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: U.S. Posts: 4,171	"(Why) Do You Resist Sexual Requests?" Very simple. I am not controlled merely by my base biological desires. Tempering one's sexual nature (and other base natures for that matter) does not have its origin in Puritanical religious dogma but in the evolution of humans becoming more than simple stimuli-response creatures. DC

08-29-2007, 11:09 AM	#30
Daisy Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Halfway out the door... Posts: 788	For women, a huge part of sexual liberation is being able to choose not to have sex whenever they want to not have it.

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