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Duvduv · 01-31-2012, 03:57 AM

If it took 25 years why do they say it was all dictated in a cave?

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Yes. I know Muslims say he received it from Allah but he couldn't read or write and said over the suras

The stgory is that Muhammad was given a revelation to dictate, in secret, by an angel, over 25 years (and the dictation was subsequently lost). Now even if that has no truth, it says all we need to know about those who cite it as solid ground for a religious belief.

sotto voce · 01-31-2012, 04:04 AM

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If it took 25 years why do they say it was all dictated in a cave?

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Originally Posted by Duvduv

Yes. I know Muslims say he received it from Allah but he couldn't read or write and said over the suras

The stgory is that Muhammad was given a revelation to dictate, in secret, by an angel, over 25 years (and the dictation was subsequently lost). Now even if that has no truth, it says all we need to know about those who cite it as solid ground for a religious belief.

Apparently the man visited a cave (unseen by the general public, of course) for the purpose of faithfully copying the dictation. I calculated it once at about two lines per day, iirc.

It bears much similarity with Joseph Smith, his spectacles and golden plates.

Duvduv · 01-31-2012, 04:14 AM

But since Mohammed was said to be traveling all over when was he supposed to be in that cave?
I too have noticed the similarity to Joseph Smith. But the Book of Mormon was produced at one time

sotto voce · 01-31-2012, 04:20 AM

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But since Mohammed was said to be traveling all over when was he supposed to be in that cave?

Not according to some.

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I too have noticed the similarity to Joseph Smith. But the Book of Mormon was produced at one time

It's nothing to do with actuality. It's to do with credulity.

mrsonic · 01-31-2012, 04:28 AM

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unseen by the general public, of course

but nobody saw jesus morph into a man
no body saw jesus ressurect like osiris ressurected
no body saw satan take jesus for flying lessons.
nobody saw the dream that joseph had about mary being impregnated by holy ghost. do you even have a document which says , " i mary saw jesus christ buried in a tomb located near the alaqsa mosque?"

sotto voce · 01-31-2012, 04:30 AM

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unseen by the general public, of course

but nobody saw jesus morph into a man
no body saw jesus ressurect like osiris ressurected
no body saw satan take jesus for flying lessons.
nobody saw the dream that joseph had about mary being impregnated by holy ghost.

So?

mrsonic · 01-31-2012, 04:35 AM

if islamic claims have no eyewitness support then neither do christian claims.

Duvduv · 01-31-2012, 04:41 AM

What is the likelihood that the split between Sunni and Shia had its roots in EARLIER theological or other disputes from the onset of Islam and the issue of succession of the caliphs was merely a secondary argument?

sotto voce · 01-31-2012, 04:44 AM

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if islamic claims have no eyewitness support then neither do christian claims.

So?

mrsonic · 01-31-2012, 05:27 AM

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So?

have you ever been to hyde park in london?

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Duvduv Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: USA Posts: 4,095	But since Mohammed was said to be traveling all over when was he supposed to be in that cave? I too have noticed the similarity to Joseph Smith. But the Book of Mormon was produced at one time

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Duvduv Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: USA Posts: 4,095	What is the likelihood that the split between Sunni and Shia had its roots in EARLIER theological or other disputes from the onset of Islam and the issue of succession of the caliphs was merely a secondary argument?

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