Sheshbazzar

Me neither, but I live today, am patient, and am very optimistic that in due time, that which is the best that is within mankind will overcome our faults.
They who are willing, cannot as yet embrace that which they cannot yet comprehend. When honest and just men do come to know the better, they then will embrace truth as though it were the child they so long yearned for.
As scripture says; "...in the latter days ye shall consider it perfectly."
Yes, and it is a crying shame, the fear that is wasted upon silly superstitions, rather than a healthy and beneficial fear of not doing ones best. And a fear of increasing knowledge, and understanding, while fearfully choosing to remain in ignorance, and desiring all others to so remain.

kcdad

OK... I'll try again...

We are animals. We are not spiritual creatures. We are made of the earth.
Yes, our cerebral cortex is more developed than other animals, but we can not do anything qualitatively different than other animals except... murder each other for pleasure.

I am curious as to how you see us being "more than" animals.

IamJoseph

According to the Hebrew bible, you can choose any belief you like, and you get equal rights - only your deeds and actions matter. But I would be more impressed if you posted complete sentences of the Hebrew bible. Children are not killed, and this contradicts the sublime Hebrew laws. The examples you will quote are limited to ancient modes of warfare, some of which never allowed taking prisoners, and applies both ways if Israel lost; here the Hebrew bible is a book of historical truth - read elsewhere of history if you doubt this.

The Hebrew bible's majestic uthenticity is it does not candy coat as does other scriptures - all wrongs are mentined without pulling any punches. This is not a book based on belief but factual history. Its laws rule the world today - excusively. :wave:

IamJoseph

Can you explain how Europeans took on board a belief via 2nd and 3rd hand sources and never asked for proof - would you today?


I am talking about 'association of diverse pieces of information put to new uses' and 'ideas of the Knowledge'!

IamJoseph

Math has no meaning w/o it. And when I put my math hat on, I agree with genesis, everything in the universe had to have began as a duality.

This is true even if one proves it does not take two to tango.

Wooster

Yes, I can...

Here is what made them convert to Christianity:

Sheshbazzar

This is a book that is based on a fairy-tale about a talking snake, it is sadly lacking in historical accuracy, and what is there is warped to support the silly talking snake fable.
The Hebrew bible's laws DO NOT rule the world today, much less exclusively.

IamJoseph

Christianity continued what Rome did - divine human emperors and heresy decrees. That the Gospels is a total lie may not be liked by my christians bretheren - but is not truth what sets one free - or is it 'belief' - even where truth is totally absent?

While none know for sure, it seems that one day a relic may be discovered which will prove the Gospels a fake - because truth is undestructable and always seems to bop up in the end. It is possible this can be the case also for Judaism - while the evidence does not agree with that as it does with the NT & Quran, nor is Judaism based on enforced conversion and missionising with free gifts.

Two theologies which go belly up in one stroke if the Gospels is found false, because the Quran condones core doctrines of the Gospels. Such a scenario poses a greater upheavel than a nuke war. One thing's for sure - christianity and islam will owe the Jews a life time of apologies if their scriptures prove false!

IamJoseph

I empathise.

Very observant of you. It means the world turns on the Hebrew laws exclusively, and those are all snake laws. I wonder if the ToE'ists can come up with just one single law - and succeed in its enshrining in the world's judiciary systems - you think!? :huh:

Did you know, the mythical story of Joseph, who became vizir of ancient Egypt, is recorded in stone on one of the pyramids - and that it is contempoary in its dating - aligning with a mythical document called Genesis. Window dressing? - any other examples which equate with Genesis with equal veracity? - choose from anywhere in geo-history you like!?

The term 'rib' is a contrived translation of a mysterious Hebrew word which is not determinable; same with the fruit of the tree - its not an apple. In fact, even the serpent is not a serpent. I think even our state of art knowledge has not yet reached a point to understand this - but this will happen in the future. The relevency of the rib story is that a life is based on a dual-gendered entity when it first emerged. That is what modern science found when it discovered chromosomes some 3000 years later. Not bad, huh!


And I vote that the most brilliant observation of all posts in this forum. Congrats.

We have no records from that time - and there is absolutely no motive for Genesis to say so. Genesis is the only document which describes that history. But in the much later iron age, they would have not believed you if you said some people lived more than a 100 years today - because the ave span was 43 years for men; 31 for women in that time.

Did you do a scientific study to account for growth rates for a nation in a 400 year period? :constern01: Do you know where the first scientific cencus is from - with age, tribal and gender sub-totals and verifying sum totals - were is this recorded - which book?! And how come this nation survived a host of other war-like nations on their way to Canaan - because we know for a fact the Hebrews landed in Canaan and lived there till 586 BCE, then again till 70 CE. Well?

I would say its not a provable factor. However, Genesis presents this as a miracle and a metaphor between God and an Arabian prophet - who's curse was supposed to destroy a nation. Its all a matter of context, you know - and you omitted that part?

There's no'on and on'. The Hebrew bible contains more scientifically verified historical truths - than any document in existence - for the longest period of time, and for the largest amount of stats - by a margin which leaves no equavalence. All you did was select the same 5 or 6 items which everyone likes to select - ignoring millions of other provable stats, and then quote them with no understanding of the text whatsoever, and by quoting half sentences. You even forgot to include the texts says the snake talked - BUT! - IN A REALM OUTSIDE OF THIS UNIVERSE! :wave:

Sheshbazzar

I composed a long and detailed reply to this with many scriptural citations, unfortunately it disappeared when I attempted posting.
This one will be much shorter.
The entire Hebrew bible is built around the premise of a talking snake that could carry on a conversation and reason with a human.
Every thing else contained within the bible is only so much window dressing ancillary to this silly tale, suffering, death, wars, deliverance's, and all other biblical stories are geared to the support of this looney tunes tale.
The Hebrew bible is NOT an accurate or actual history of anything.

It is NOT a "historical truth" that the female of the human species was fashioned out of a rib-bone that was removed from a man.

It is NOT a "historical truth" that a serpent could carry on a conversation with a human.

It is NOT a "historical truth" that Methuselah lived nine hundred and sixty nine years.

It is NOT a "historical truth" that close to three million Hebrews wandered around the Sinai desert for forty years.

It is NOT a "historical truth" that Balaam's ass was able to carry on a conversation and reason with him.

On and on, the Bible's UN-authenticity with its talking snakes, talking animals, and talking trees crap is NOT true.
Stories and claims that are unworthy of beliefe by any sane or rational person. Even the Brothers Grimm did a better job.