FRDB Archives

Freethought & Rationalism Archive

The archives are read only.


Go Back   FRDB Archives > Archives > Religion (Closed) > Biblical Criticism & History
Welcome, Peter Kirby.
You last visited: Yesterday at 03:12 PM

 
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 09-12-2010, 09:21 AM   #1
Veteran Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Florida Panhandle
Posts: 9,176
Default If Jesus Did Exist, Would It Ruin Your Life

I will start by saying I don't know if there is a scenario in which it could be said to be "proved" that an historical Jesus existed, but for the purposes of this thought experiment, assume that some quite good proof that a figure substantially in line with the gospels came to light.

The proof does not provide proof that he is the "son of god", simply that he
lived and did some remarkable things.

How would this impact your thinking? What would you do?
dockeen is offline  
Old 09-12-2010, 09:27 AM   #2
Veteran Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: u.k, back of beyond, we have scones and cream teas
Posts: 2,534
Default

It was a very common name at the time, I'm guessing there were lots of jesuses.
djrafikie is offline  
Old 09-12-2010, 09:54 AM   #3
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Minnesota
Posts: 24
Default

It really shouldn't affect anyone's lives (not the existence of any sort of secular Jesus, anyhow). Theories of a mythical or historical Jesus are merely attempts to reconstruct the past from the evidence we have. I think a person should be able to be an advocate of either position an not be emotionally tied up in the result. It's honesty in method we should be passionate about.

I keep both options open as possibilities, though I believe the mythical hypothesis is most likely.
Vic333 is offline  
Old 09-12-2010, 10:04 AM   #4
Veteran Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Florida Panhandle
Posts: 9,176
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by djrafikie View Post
It was a very common name at the time, I'm guessing there were lots of jesuses.
Please note that the conditions of the thought experiment was not simply
that there was some guy named Jesus living at that time, but rather:

"a figure substantially in line with the gospels"

Meaning someone saying what he is reported to have said, and doing some
remarkable things.

In some ways this is a flip of the other thread - but it is in part exploring
how attached those of us who have looked at the history and come to
certain conclusion about the realism of Jesus to our beliefs. Is it
almost an axiom to some (me?) that what we read of Jesus in the bible
is not true, and how would we react to having evidence that the axiom
might not be true?
dockeen is offline  
Old 09-12-2010, 10:23 AM   #5
Regular Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Earth
Posts: 320
Default

It wouldn't ruin my life at all - it would just be confirmation of the prosaic.
Zaphod is offline  
Old 09-12-2010, 10:48 AM   #6
Contributor
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: the fringe of the caribbean
Posts: 18,988
Default

If Jesus did exist as described in the NT then I would have to investigate the existence of Allah and all other Gods before I make a decision on which one to follow.
aa5874 is offline  
Old 09-12-2010, 11:27 AM   #7
Veteran Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: land of the home, free of the brave
Posts: 9,729
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by aa5874 View Post
If Jesus did exist as described in the NT then I would have to investigate the existence of Allah and all other Gods
Heracles or Odin, Ishtar, the Shinto spirits, etc., .
credoconsolans is offline  
Old 09-12-2010, 11:59 AM   #8
Contributor
 
Join Date: Jun 2000
Location: Los Angeles area
Posts: 40,549
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by dockeen View Post
...The proof does not provide proof that he is the "son of god", simply that he lived and did some remarkable things.

How would this impact your thinking? What would you do?
That was what I thought until about 10 years ago. But that made Jesus just another idealist failed reformer, whose followers completely screwed up his ideas. :huh:
Toto is offline  
Old 09-12-2010, 12:44 PM   #9
Veteran Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: seattle, wa
Posts: 9,337
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by djrafikie
It was a very common name at the time, I'm guessing there were lots of jesuses.
But his name is recorded in Irenaeus AND the rabbinic literature as Yeshu which is utterly unique. The idea that his name was common is incorrect. Irenaeus makes the amazing claim that any mystical inferences drawn from the Greek Ἰησοῦς are utterly misguided because his real name was originally made up of two and a half letters. For the mythicists here it is worth noting that Irenaeus does offer a mystical explanation of the name Yeshu.
stephan huller is offline  
Old 09-12-2010, 12:49 PM   #10
Veteran Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: u.k, back of beyond, we have scones and cream teas
Posts: 2,534
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by stephan huller View Post
Quote:
Originally Posted by djrafikie
It was a very common name at the time, I'm guessing there were lots of jesuses.
But his name is recorded in Irenaeus AND the rabbinic literature as Yeshu which is utterly unique. The idea that his name was common is incorrect. Irenaeus makes the amazing claim that any mystical inferences drawn from the Greek Ἰησοῦς are utterly misguided because his real name was originally made up of two and a half letters.
link plz
djrafikie is offline  
 

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -8. The time now is 02:43 AM.

Top

This custom BB emulates vBulletin® Version 3.8.2
Copyright ©2000 - 2015, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.