CX

Please let's refrain from discussing personalities and stick to discussing the topic. Thanks.

CX - BC&H Moderator

Mageth

And whose milk would the babies suckle? Were Noah's wife and daughters-in-law wet-nurses?

Plognark

From Magus55
And you are falsly assuming that the animals had to be adults. It would be more beneficial if babies or young animals were taken on the boat so they have a longer reproduction cycle after they got off.

Whilst the image of Noah's wife suckling a baby hippo from her teat is one of the funniest thigns that's popped into my head in a while, it's an incredibly valid point: What the hell would the babies eat? I'm pretty damn sure that Noah couldn't have researched the estrus, dietary needs, breeding and growth cycles, etc. of ALL the animals just to time everything exaclty right. This is such a moronic statement that I won't go on pointing out how poor the logic is. And yes, i've heard it before, many many times, the first time I posted the math behind it.

There was no stupid ark, and there was no Noah. It defies logic on every level.

HOWEVER; if you'd like I will gladly calculate the volume requirements for BABY animals and i'll still lay a 20 spot that they won't fit, and i'll be VERY generous with my figures. Once you can tell me which are clean and unclean, and define what a "kind" is, so I can know whether to include 2 or 7 in my figures. I'll post my results on my website if you'd like

CX

These lengthy discussions about how this or that biblical character could have done whatever he was purported to have done always amuses me. Angels on the head of a pin and all that. If Yahweh had wanted to rid the earth of all mankind save Noah and his immediate family, couldn't he have simply "zapped" everyone else out of existence? I mean the global deluge bit seems a tad melodramatic don't you think? We're talking about an ostensibly all powerful deity here.

Godless Wonder

Of course. He could have, but that's not how the story goes. Such a zapping would be much harder to dispute.

When some debate participants hold the words of the Bible as supreme evidence overruling all other forms of evidence, except whan a contradiction arises, (excuse me, "apparent" contradiction ) then the best evidence to be had against the Bible is what's contained in the Bible, that is to say, internal inconsistencies. The 2nd best evidence is the likes of the massive physical evidence for a literal interpretation of the flood story that turns up missing. Instead is found massive evidence contradicting such a flood.

This giant discrepancy between the Bible and the real world is difficult for many people to deny, but not impossible, as it is extra-biblical. But it can lead to dissonant speculations that God went around hiding dinosaur bones and otherwise arranging things to appear that no flood occurred, in the way of a "strong delusion". (Picture God chuckling to himself "Heh heh, see who believes in me now!" as he hides fossils like Easter eggs. (a Bill Hicks joke)

I think for many people, things like PoE, and various other vague metaphysical problems that (seem like they ought to) work against any generic omnimax god are not as powerful as those which undermine the specifics of the holy books. Not that there appears to be any argument strong enough in many cases.

Doctor X

So . . . how did the wee platypussies make it?

Did they follow the baby koalas?

--J.D.

mindaika

Which brings up yet another question: How did the animals, especially those on remote continents like Australia and Antartica, get to their respective homes?

Mageth

Well, they were wee baby animals, so in baby carriages, obviously.

But what did they eat along the way? Did Ms. Noah pack them all sack lunches?

mindaika

Perhaps she suckled them as well

Say, has anyone done them calculations to determine how long is would take a koala to walk from Mt. Ararat to wherever, and then to swim to Australia?

EGGO

The Discovery Channel already tore this thing to shreds (not too long ago too).

I thought it was already covered that the ark would've collapsed in on itself, but I can't find it.

Also, those who said that the water came from the air, the sheer humidity would already drowned us; if the water came from underground like geysers, there's even more problems to that, with one of them being that the whole crust of the earth would become quicksand.