Johnny Skeptic

Hi Tomboy Mom, how's it goin' with you and yours? I suspect that Haran is now aware that the pickins ain't nearly as easy as he thought they would be. I predict that he will give up debating at this forum within a month.

Alethias

Lessee if I can make a guess, Haran. Your morality is subjective, but it's based on god's objective morality, right? Lol.

Alethias.

Haran

I have already given up on you as a lost cause. I just hope that the moderators will see it otherwise and ban you for your worthless spamming.

I have had more productive debates on the Morality forum in the past. Though there were many in the threads who did not get it, there were some who actually did. Perhaps they are simply quiet because they see all the idiocy in this thread... Please give me someone half intelligent to talk to who doesn't spread lies as truth....no archaeological evidence for events in the bible...what lies...and all to destroy Christianity.

The title of my thread aptly describes what would happen, I had just hoped for more intelligence to recognize valid arguments as most of the rational atheists I have talked with before on this site and elsewhere.

I see so many idiotic comments and repetitions of things I have already explained....I guess some people just don't get it and never will. Well, Johnny, I am not a fundamentalist (as most would define them) but I share many beliefs with them. Since your beliefs are totally subjective, I don't really care what you or anyone else here thinks about Christianity. It will outlive you and your generations, just as it did Voltaire (the know-it-all atheist who said it wouldn't...). I have no war with atheists and agnostics unless they bring it upon me. You did so in the first thread, so you've had it here. It is just a shame that you have not the wits about you to understand (and certainly not the reading...).

Atheists are an arrogant bunch who point to statistics that they don't even understand to foolishly praise themselves as superiorly intellectual to theists, yet in the only places that have attempted to squash religion (Russia/China) there have been serious problems, corruption, crime, and other horrible acts. The problem is that you and your collective morals are wholly arbitrary and certainly no better Christian morals, whether that is understood or not it is fact. You wish to challenge Christian beliefs, but as I've said many times, you offer nothing with which to replace them....nothing. You destroy someone's faith, you may find that they arbitrarily choose to believe as you do (though you do not say), or they may continue to believe in the things they did as a Christian (how is that any better), or they may decide to believe in morals that are much worse than you wish. Ultimately, your aims are immoral and you have no exit strategy for those you intend to harm.

So, so much I'd like to say because I find so much from others here immoral, lies, and ignorance. However, sometimes you simply have to let fools be fools.

BMSMCMAM

I laughed out loud.

Uh, you're welcome to make the appropriate thread and show your archaelogical evidence for Biblical inerrancy. Just don't be surprised when you find actual archaelogists disputing your evidence.

Obviously when you try to make faces at a dog, you get bit. Don't know what you were expecting, opening up a thread with an insult and ignoring glaring contradictions in your arguement.

You're right, your explanations are pretty much old-hat that almost every atheist member of the board has encountered before.

Walks like a fundamentalist, smells like a fundamentalist, quacks like a fundamentalist. Pretty sure you're a fundamentalist.

Oh, whoops, where'd that come from?

Oddly enough, Buddhism has outlived Christianity. So has Hinduism, Judaism, and countless other religions. Hmm, guess your religion isn't all it's cracked up to be, is it?

*Looks at who made the original post*

Statistics we don't even understand? Like the prison religion statistics? Mind telling us exactly how we fudged it up?

Who said freedom of religion is a bad thing?

Uh, so that's why the overwhelmingly vast majority of prisoners in the US are Christian?

We wish to replace archaic thinking with rational thought and replace the deification of human sacrifice with love. Sounds like something to me.

*Yawn*

You're welcome to remain a fool as long as you like. Just don't piss and whine and moan when you find someone who disagrees with you.

ELECTROGOD

Haran, let me guess, intelligent people = those who agree with you?

The ironic nature of your post is amazing as you dismiss those who have been asking you deep and probing questions about the things you have been saying calling them unintelligent while at the same time continuing your mischaracterization of all atheists, ignoring facts presented, creating strawmen and generally ranting as a way to continue to not answer the questions presented to you.
We see this ALOT by theists here.

TomboyMom

I still don't know what the thread was even supposed to be about, unless a demonstration of how to insult others and exhibit arrogance. If Haran had a point to make, it was lost on me.
It's hard for me to understand how disabusing someone of a false belief could be immoral, but then Christian morals have always been hard for me to grasp. Over and over they patiently explain why genocide is O.K. while fellatio is not, but I can never seem to grasp it.
I wish I could say that Haran was the rudest or most arrogant Christian we have seen on these boards, but the competition is so stiff.
And I have not known Johnny Skeptic to spam or post unattributed material, so what is he talking about? Finally, I leave you with this thought:

Johnny Skeptic

You are a chicken, plain and simple. Who do you think that you are kidding? You have refused to reply to lots my arguments because you don't want to embarrass yourself, and you most certainly will refuse to debate me in a one on one moderated debate. You talk of rhetoric and spamming, but that is mostly all that you do. You spend so much on personal attacks that you seldom disscuss the issues themselves. A good example is in the thread about homosexuality and the Episcopalian church. You said that your only real objection to homosexuality is that you did not want same-sex marriage to be legalized because it would destroy the institution of marriage. I demolished your post with documented research that shows that in Norway, Sweden, and Denmark, where same-sex marriage has been legal for years, marriage has not been harmed at all, and in fact, in one of those countries, the divorce rate dropped after same-sex marriage was legalized. You conveniently did not make any reply at all to that post. My evidence on same-sex marriage has nothing whatsoever to do with my world view. It is just the facts, and millions of Christians agree with the documented research that I posted. I can give you proof if you wish.

In one of my previous posts, I demolished your absurd ramblings about morality, and in typical fashion, you conveniently refused to reply to my arguments. I said:

It is quite amusing that you bring up the character of atheists. First of all, there are a lot more agnostics and non-Christian followers of other religions in the world than atheists. Second of all, Federal Bureau of Prison statistics show that there is a much higher percentage of Christians in jail than athiests. Third of all, the divorce rate among Baptists, and some other Christian denominations, is higher than the divorce rate among atheists. Fourth of all, in Denmark the divorce rate among heterosexuals is higher than the divorce rate among homosexuals. I know, you said that all that I do is post statistics. Yes, I do post statistics, THE VERY SAME STATISTICS THAT YOU WOULD POST IF THEY AGREED WITH YOUR ARGUMENTS. Now you wouldn't try to get us to believe otherwise, would you? If so, no one would believe you. Of course, I do a lot more than post statistics, and you know it.

Have you by any chance noticed that co-habitation among heterosexuals, and the high divorce rate among Christian heterosexuals, has harmed the institution of marriage? I know, it's only evidence, and you much prefer rhetoric and spamming to evidence. If you reply to this post, I assume that you will not discuss any of the issues at all, and will do nothing but attack the character of me and other skeptics. That most certainly will not get you anywhere with skeptics, and even more importantly, it won't get you anywhere with the undecided crowd who are wondering why you won't address the issues themselves instead of criticizing atheists. Plenty of atheists are just as moral, or more moral than you are, and a lot more polite to boot. I usually have polite discussions with Christians. Just take a look at the many threads that I have started at these forums and see for yourself. The difference is this thread is you, not me.

Haran

No. Intelligent people are people I don't have to repeat things to a million times... They are people who will go pick up some books and read philosophy, ethics, and history. If you do so, you may begin to understand more of what I've said.

Deep and probing questions...more like simply dismissing the centuries old philosophies and answering the same questions over and over again. That's why I said what I did. I doubt several here have read near as much as I have (at least I certainly don't see it reflected in your posts), so I just find it funny when my arguments are dismissed with a hand-wave. Sometimes people argue out of ignorace, so all I ask is just go read more please...

I also said some of what I said because there are some who ignorantly come into this thread and act as if I picked the fight. Why? Because they have not read the whole thread. Again, for those who didn't read....I was attacked in the BC&H forum simply for innocently sharing my Christian beliefs on a topic and not pushing them on anyone. I was immediately hounded and "dog-piled" by militant atheists with a myriad of totally off-topic posts who believe that because they can point out perceived errors in the text that is somehow going to convert me. Thinking from an atheistic/agnostic viewpoint, I see nothing more valuable and everything just as subjective. This thread was an attempt to teach them a lesson. But fools will be fools.

Well, I have to say I'm surprised because I don't often see the stupidity, ignorance, and bigotry in atheists/agnostics that I've seen from some in this thread.

I'm tired of responding further. My comments will once again be taken out of context (which I also see ALOT by atheists) and I'll be piled upon by many more irrational atheists/agnostics and that will be that. As I'm sure you'd say of me, I'll leave you all to your subjective delusions.

BMSMCMAM

Perhaps if your arguement were really as good as you think, you wouldn't have needed to say it more than once to try to get your point across.

Whoops! How does that keep popping up?

You won't be missed.

*Looks at opening post AGAIN.*

Superheavy

Note to self. When debating:

1) Skip annoying requests for explanations of my comments ("Statistics we don't even understand? Like the prison religion statistics? Mind telling us exactly how we fudged it up?").

2) End with an insult and declare myself the winner ("Well, I have to say I'm surprised because I don't often see the stupidity, ignorance, and bigotry in atheists/agnostics that I've seen from some in this thread. I'm tired of responding further. My comments will once again be taken out of context (which I also see ALOT by atheists) and I'll be piled upon by many more irrational atheists/agnostics and that will be that. As I'm sure you'd say of me, I'll leave you all to your subjective delusions.")

3) Almost forgot I should make internally incoherent posts with "I don't often see" and "which I also see ALOT" almost in the same paragraph.

Me like the plan! :love: