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Old 11-28-2005, 02:23 AM   #51
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I'm an Atheist and here is my possible solution. note that I only give it as a possible solution, as I think it would be hard to prove.

One of the original traditions that went into this story could have been referencing days, and not pairs. At the time of this command, Noah is told by god that the flood will start in 7 days(verse 7:4). I think that one original story; said get a male and female clean land animal by seven days, that is, use the full seven days left to collect a male and female of every clean land animal. Then it said; get a male and female of every unclean land animal in two days(or maybe it didn't mention two days at all, and the two was added in later because someone thought it was left out, because the others had a number related to them), that is, only spend two days collecting the unclean land animals, not the full seven you have. Seven days were also given to collect a male and female pair of birds, whether clean or unclean(verse 7:3).

At some point this version of the story got confused and corrupted and the wording made it seem like it was talking about seven pairs and two pairs, so it was transmitted this way.
The problem with this type of solution is that there is no known textual support for it, nor even so much as a shred of a tradition to give it any credence.
And again it falls due to it employing the very same "could-have-been" scenarios that Fundamentalist are regularly scorned on this Forum for employing, they are regularly clobbered for attempting to ignore, or alter even as little as a single letter to bring the text into line with their views, How would an attempt to alter so much of the text fare in light of atheists continually attacking Fundamentalist for so doing?
Best for all to just let the text read as it reads, contradictions and all.
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Old 11-28-2005, 08:01 AM   #52
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OK now John, I have expended my time and effort to compose this answer, (not that I'm expecting you to accept it)
Thank you for your lengthy, thoughful and sensitive response to my post.

You are absolutely correct. I don't accept your answer, since it isn't an answer to what I asked.

However, I will accept this offer: "Oh, by the way, I AM able to provide that metaphorical explanation."

Thank you.
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Sorry John, but it is not an offer.
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Sorry John, but it is not an offer.
Sorry about that. I thought your statement, "I AM able to provide that metaphorical explanation." was an offer to provide such an explanation.

I'll accept your inability to do so.

No hard feelings.
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Old 11-28-2005, 11:29 AM   #55
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Was the implicit statement that the documentary hypothesis is wrong an offer to present your own article explaining authorship?
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Default Noah's Ark contradiction confounds an atheist

What about the over one million species of insects, the millions of species of microorganisms that Noah didn't even know existed, and the coral reefs in the oceans that would have all died because of a lack of adequate sunlight? Science continues to discredit the absurd notion of a global flood.
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Was the implicit statement that the documentary hypothesis is wrong an offer to present your own article explaining authorship?
No, I will not present any such article, as to do so would be a redundant waste of time, you have access to the Internet to search out the tens of thousands of articles that have already been written on this subject.

Rather than a long article, I'll summarize them all in this short statement;

There have been found to be so many flaws and holes in the assumptions, reasonings and methodologies of the so called "documentary hypothesis", that its use as a "standard" to look up to and rally around has long since been discredited. Yes boys, that old flag (rag) that the atheists have fixed their eyes and hopes upon and rallied around for the past century has had so many holes shot in it, its flawed weave is coming unwoven, day by day more and more of its fabric is shredding and blowing away upon the wind.
Yes, take a good close look at that "emblem" of your campaign and of your unity, that so proudly you hailed, but is now so full of holes, waving only its remnant of tattered shreds;
If you rally 'round that flag once again boys, its only because you don't know any better; Your patriotism to the cause, whilst your companions are sneaking away in the dark and deserting you, is a hoot to all that have eyes to see with, and have ears to hear with.
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There is no conflict between these two verses, Gen.7:2 is the express command to DO the action, and Gen. 7:8-9 is the record of the action being DONE, and carried out in compliance with the previously given explicit instructions.
I'll have to agree with Sheshbazzar, this is not a very viable contradiction to hang an argument on. Of all the issues/problems with the Deluge, this is pretty slim pickings.

Sheshbazzar, out of curiosity, do you consider the Deluge to have happened circa 2200-2400 BCE? I ask, because I wonder how you perceive the timeline from verses in Genesis 5:3-28 and 5:32,11:10-26.
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