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Old 05-09-2012, 08:44 AM   #21
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But thats only because they have been actively engaged in a debate with Christians, denying that God "switched sides" at the beginning of the common era
Well, if that's the way you see it, then you have a big job engaging Jewish scholars in disputation. Time to bone up on your medieval apologetics!
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I dont understand what you are saying
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If I catch my wife cheating on me I have a choice to think she "just made a mistake" or she is of bad character. Take a guess which choice the husbands who decided not to get a divorce most often took? Doesn't mean it was true
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I dont understand what you are saying
I'm saying that you are perpetuating the Christian church's attempt to lock Jews out of their own literary heritage, ie. the New Testament. You'll have to take up arms against a whole host of Jewish scholars who maintain that the New Testament is wholly Jewish:
Superseding the supersessionists, some Jewish writers went so far as to suggest that Jews were best placed to fathom the Christian Scriptures on their own original terms. Such was the view of German-Jewish scholar Leo Baeck, whose own annotated precursor to this volume, “The Gospel as a Document of the History of the Jewish Faith,” was brought out in Berlin by Schocken in 1938. “A full understanding of Jesus and his gospel is possible only in the perspective of Jewish thought and feeling and therefore perhaps only for a Jew,” Baeck claimed.--"That most Jewish of books" / Benjamin Balint. In Haaretz, April 30, 2012.
The world of scholarship has concluded that Christ and the New Testament are Jewish. You have your work cut out for you to convince it otherwise.
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If I catch my wife cheating on me I have a choice to think she "just made a mistake" or she is of bad character. Take a guess which choice the husbands who decided not to get a divorce most often took? Doesn't mean it was true
So what, in your view, are Jewish scholars on the NT: bad or mistaken?
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Jewish scholars are unanimous ???
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Pardon me No Robots, but that has to be about one of the funniest things I have read on here in months.
Glad to provide some hilarity. Please reciprocate, and cite any Jewish scholar who denies the existence of the historical Christ.
For Christ's sake--the Jews are still wating for their Christ to come.:banghead::banghead:
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I dont understand what you are saying
I'm saying that you are perpetuating the Christian church's attempt to lock Jews out of their own literary heritage, ie. the New Testament. You'll have to take up arms against a whole host of Jewish scholars who maintain that the New Testament is wholly Jewish:
Superseding the supersessionists, some Jewish writers went so far as to suggest that Jews were best placed to fathom the Christian Scriptures on their own original terms. Such was the view of German-Jewish scholar Leo Baeck, whose own annotated precursor to this volume, “The Gospel as a Document of the History of the Jewish Faith,” was brought out in Berlin by Schocken in 1938. “A full understanding of Jesus and his gospel is possible only in the perspective of Jewish thought and feeling and therefore perhaps only for a Jew,” Baeck claimed.--"That most Jewish of books" / Benjamin Balint. In Haaretz, April 30, 2012.
The world of scholarship has concluded that Christ and the New Testament are Jewish. You have your work cut out for you to convince it otherwise.

its well known jesus is a failed movement in judaism

I think one could claim jewish roots or a foundation, its blatantly obvious . beyond that its a known roman/gentile religion. Had the movement not been taken to the roman population, it would have failed in judaism alone.

you do know there were large groups of romans in synagogues who were not jewish but worshiped Yahweh, they were called god-fearers. paul made these his targets of choice that and the average roman.
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I have no quarrel with you, outhouse. You seem to have a pretty good grasp of the facts.
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I have no quarrel with you, outhouse. You seem to have a pretty good grasp of the facts.
For Christ's sake!!! It is NOT possible to GRASP imaginary facts except outhouse. He seems to do that PRETTY GOOD.

Not even the Jews claimed Jesus was executed because he did NOT pay his taxes. outhouse has PRETTY GOOD GRASPS of his facts. Only outhouse can grasp his OWN facts from his own head.
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I have no quarrel with you, outhouse. You seem to have a pretty good grasp of the facts.
not argueing just bored buddy, just bored
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