Brett89

heres a question.....The old Testement presents alot of prophecies, and these books were hundreds of years before christ. How come in the new testement they are all answered full and correctly like how jesus should have no bones broken etc. etc. theres evidence that they werent written at the same time, so whats the arugment here, looking for some imput on this topic

Solitary Man

1) The so-called prophecies are taken out of context, and really are not prophecies at all.

2) Not every story about Jesus is true.

Riverwind

If one reads the ancient church fathers or the Dead Sea scrolls, one will begin to understand that the ancients looked for "deeper meanings" or sometimes "allegorical meanings" in the writings that were known in the Torah as "The Prophets" (ha Neviim). The "surface meaning" or "context" (as you put it) were not necessarily of interest to them. This was a common practice in ancient times, not just among Christians but Jews and "Gentiles" as well.

Gooch's dad

1) A great many of the stories in the OT weren't prophecies about the Messiah, such as the "suffering servant" in Isaiah (which is Israel, not the Messiah).

2) The writers of the gospels made up stories to make it appear that their character was fulfilling prophecies. The story in Matthew of Jesus riding on two animals at once, "an ass and the foal of an ass", is the smoking gun. It is utterly clear from this that the writer was misunderstanding an OT "prophecy", and making up a story to fit it.

Brett89

why would they waste their time making stuff up that could get them executed.....it dont make sense, they had to have some good reason for believing it to use their time and survival or preach and write it

Gooch's dad

Saying who is right or wrong? About what?

I don't think Jesus fulfilled any specific prophecies, if that's what you're asking. Other than being born of a young woman, that is.

Clarice O'C

The Hebrew scriptures were meant to stand alone; never meant to be used to build a later religion(s). The HS and NT are completely separate but a bunch of ancient fundamentalists wanted to make them over into something new that would say they would live forever in a better place because they were miserable and guilt-ridden and that's why we have the mess we have today.

NT authors invented/concocted their writings so that they would be in sync with the HS, therefore validating, so they thought, what they were saying.

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RED DAVE

Educated writers of Greek 40+ years after the fact and in different countries weren't being executed for writing books, but, then again neither were the disciples being executed.

RED DAVE

Amaleq13

They are not "all answered full and correctly". Some involve creative interpretations credible only to those who start with faith and some appear to have been written so as to appear to fulfill certain alleged prophecies. Your example of the bones seems to be one of the latter. It is also possible that, given an historical Jesus, some alleged fulfillments were intentionally enacted.

Regardless, there is no good reason to think any so-called prophecy in the Jewish Scriptures was miraculously fulfilled. Only faith can support such a conclusion.

What is "they" here that weren't written at the same time? The prophecies and the fulfillments? The fulfillments?

What "stuff" do you think could have gotten them executed and why do you think that?

Faith isn't a sufficient "reason"? :angel:

David B

Let's focus on them one at a time.

You pick the first.

When we are done with that, I'll pick the second.

David B