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Originally Posted by Juststeve
Abe:
I'm not sure what to make of your argument concerning miracles. I have personally heard people give eye witness accounts of miracles. I judge the accounts to be mistaken but they were eyewitness accounts nevertheless. Therefore I don't think the presence of miracle claims says very much about whether or not the gospel writers informants were eyewitnesses or not.
For a biblical example take Paul. He describes a personal encounter with the risen Jesus. I take his experience to have been a hallucination but nevertheless his account is as eyewitness as it gets in ancient history. While I agree that the Gospel writers were not eyewitnesses, I do so for reasons unrelated to your point about miracles.
Steve
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I think you are right. Lucky I didn't debate you.