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jonesg · 01-01-2005, 07:12 AM

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Originally Posted by ConsequentAtheist

Am I the only one who finds this stuff infantile and embarrassing?

nope,

the problem is when arguing with a fool, no-one can tell the difference.

Apikorus · 01-01-2005, 07:51 PM

It seems to give them both a hobby, calling each other names.

Vorkosigan · 01-01-2005, 08:44 PM

So what have you heard, Heretic? What the odds of actually getting a conviction, exposing all the other forgeries they are responsible for, etc? Juicy gossip, please!

Apikorus · 01-02-2005, 04:13 PM

Vork, I haven't been following the issue, aside from reading about it in BAR.

Haran · 01-03-2005, 06:41 AM

Since this thread came back up, and in case Sauron is still out there. As you may already know, Ada Yardeni's beliefs about the "James ossuary" inscription made it onto the web some time ago. Since this has some bearing on a previous discussion in this thread, I'll post a few quotes and then a link to her views.

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Originally Posted by Sauron

The strongest piece of evidence presented so far indicates that Yardeni holds the same (or a similar) point of view. {Haran: i.e. same or similar view as Dr. Altman}

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Originally Posted by Haran

Look. I don't usually state things so confidently, but Ada Yardeni does not agree with Dr. Altman's assessment.

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Originally Posted by Dr. Ada Yardeni

Having studied thoroughly the script of the Second Temple period (see my two-volume work The Aramaic Hebrew and Nabataean Documentary Texts from the Judaean Desert and Related Material, Jerusalem 2000), I have managed to develop a feeling for this script.

Dr. Ada Yardeni is an expert in the field of Aramaic and Hebrew palaeography who has published many useful works on the subject.

What are Dr. Altman's qualifications again?

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Ioudaios-L Bibliography: Rochelle I. S. Altman

Education

BA, English/Philosophy (Elizabethtown College)
PhD. Medieval English, (Arizona State University)
Additional courses in the US, France, Greece, and Israel: palaeography, calligraphy, system design, system analysis, book binding, typography, typesetting, and script design.

Well, anyway....

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Originally Posted by Dr. Ada Yardeni

Regarding the inscription on the famous James ossuary, Ya’akov bar Yoseph ahui d’ Yeshua (Yod, ayin, qof, waw, bet. bet, resh. Yod, waw, samah, pe. aleph, het, waw, yod. dalet, Yod, shin, waw, ayin....

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Dr. Altman on Xtalk:

The inscription actually reads what both Yardeni and
I reported:

Y(QOBBRYWSP )XWWuY#W(
^^ ^
Paleo Greek

Of course, I mentioned this in my article, but it seems not to have been noticed or understood. It does not appear to me that Dr. Altman and Dr. Yardeni agreed at all. You be the judge.

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Originally Posted by Dr. Ada Yardeni

In sum, I am confident that the James ossuary inscription is authentic. About the Yehoash inscription, there is more doubt.

As everyone knows, this is quite a different pronouncement on the "James ossuary" than the one made by Dr. Altman.

Dr. Yardeni's full views can be found here.

I have no idea what her views are after Golan's indictment, perhaps they have now changed, or perhaps, like me, she is waiting for the evidence to finally be presented so that a legitimate decision can be made.

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01-01-2005, 07:51 PM	#32
Apikorus Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Chicago Posts: 1,396	It seems to give them both a hobby, calling each other names.

01-01-2005, 08:44 PM	#33
Vorkosigan Contributor Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Barrayar Posts: 11,866	So what have you heard, Heretic? What the odds of actually getting a conviction, exposing all the other forgeries they are responsible for, etc? Juicy gossip, please!

01-02-2005, 04:13 PM	#34
Apikorus Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Chicago Posts: 1,396	Vork, I haven't been following the issue, aside from reading about it in BAR.

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