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Old 02-18-2012, 09:33 PM   #11
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Most Christians also think that the snake in the Garden of Eden is Satan, so he's basically responsible for getting the human race kicked out of paradise. Of course the Jews always thought the snake was just a snake, but no one bothered to ask them.
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Most Christians also think that the snake in the Garden of Eden is Satan, so he's basically responsible for getting the human race kicked out of paradise. Of course the Jews always thought the snake was just a snake, but no one bothered to ask them.
It is utterly fascinating to have xtians tell you how the Jews really
have no understanding of their own scriptures (and also their own
language and history), that it was only with the invention of xtianity
that the real meaning was made clear....to them.
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Most Christians also think that the snake in the Garden of Eden is Satan, so he's basically responsible for getting the human race kicked out of paradise. Of course the Jews always thought the snake was just a snake, but no one bothered to ask them.
It is utterly fascinating to have xtians tell you how the Jews really
have no understanding of their own scriptures (and also their own
language and history), that it was only with the invention of xtianity
that the real meaning was made clear....to them.
Oh, come on, the Jews couldn't even recognize their own Messiah! Are you gonna trust them when it comes to interpreting the Bible?
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Most Christians also think that the snake in the Garden of Eden is Satan, so he's basically responsible for getting the human race kicked out of paradise. Of course the Jews always thought the snake was just a snake, but no one bothered to ask them.
It is utterly fascinating to have xtians tell you how the Jews really
have no understanding of their own scriptures (and also their own
language and history), that it was only with the invention of xtianity
that the real meaning was made clear....to them.
Oh, come on, the Jews couldn't even recognize their own Messiah! Are you gonna trust them when it comes to interpreting the Bible?
Good point.

Hell, they even thought the Holy language was Hebrew, when everyone knows it's Latin! I mean, come on!
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Oh, come on, the Jews couldn't even recognize their own Messiah! Are you gonna trust them when it comes to interpreting the Bible?
Good point.

Hell, they even thought the Holy language was Hebrew, when everyone knows it's Latin! I mean, come on!
Heretic! The Holy language is the language of the King James Bible spoken by Jesus His Holy Self!
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It is utterly fascinating to have xtians tell you how the Jews really
have no understanding of their own scriptures (and also their own
language and history), that it was only with the invention of xtianity
that the real meaning was made clear....to them.
Oh, come on, the Jews couldn't even recognize their own Messiah! Are you gonna trust them when it comes to interpreting the Bible?
Isn't it funny how god was writing all these messages for the people
who were going to be his eternal people after the other people he
told were going to be his eternal people, first.

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I like how Christians can find hundreds of Messianic prophecies in Jewish scriptures that the most experienced Jewish scholar never heard of.
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I like how Christians can find hundreds of Messianic prophecies in Jewish scriptures that the most experienced Jewish scholar never heard of.
The holy incorporial entity finds it for them.
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Moving to BC&H, where this topic seems more appropriate.

Hold on to your knickers . . .


. . . WHOOSH!
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To fully understand OP's questions one needs to understand the evolution of god and how the concept was used, first.

before we even look at how his adversary evolved.


As far as how Yahweh is viewed, you have to know how he evolved from a pantheon of deities used early on.

Yahweh started out as a Storm god who was adopted by Israeli's as a warrior deity.

But its so much deeper then that.


You view a kind god, and a warrior evil god.

the kind deity was

El, a Mesopotamian deity

El-Elyon, the god most high above the others

El Shaddia, god of the mountains

Elohim, Israeli's version of El and later redacted as pluaral gods but not always.


After the fall of the first temple when hebrews went from polytheism to monotheism during the period of second Isaiah roughly 620 ish BC, the monothistic writers merged these two deities together.

hebrews were very bitter after the fall and the warrior deity wreaks his havok

During every conflict before 620 ish BC, devotion to this warrior deity increased, and in times of peace hebrews went back to El/Elohim


We are talking not only about primitive barbarians, but your seeing their bitter resentment of being taken over and beaten down time and time again, as Yahweh reflects the changing culture.
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