Kosh

Perhaps we should come at this from a different angle.

Is there any evidence that the entire Egyptian culture, from early beginnings to it's end, might have occurred completely AFTER a date of around 2348 BC or 2304 BC?

Or is there any evidence that Egyptian culture sprang up "out of whole cloth" sometime around the incident at the Tower of Babel?

Hmmm?

flintknapper

You still won't know the age of the pile. You will only know for sure when the tree the wood came from died.

What if the debris at the quarry was the result of quarrying for another building entirely...hundreds of years later, but from the same stone?

Sven

Normally, people cut down trees for building very close to the time they actually build.

Roger Pearse

Is there a hieroglyph for "facilitator"?

Does the hieroglyph for "salesman" involve a crocodile...

All the best,

Roger Pearse

Sarpedon

Given egyptian construction techniques, it is unlikely that the wooden tools had a long life-span. For example, to quarry stone, they would bore a hole using a copper chisel or obsidion bit, jam a wooden wedge in there, and then dump water over it, causing the wood to expand and split the rock. Wedges thus used would not have a long life span. Also, we have wood slivers from these wedges that were found in situ in the drilled holes

You weren't listening. I said that some of the quarries were used only for the pyramid, and were abandoned. We know because we can match the stone, the rectangular pits are still there. There is also no sign of later waste, such as more advanced tools, etc. People in later times were lazier. Rather than quarrying their own stone, they stole it from the outside of the pyramid.

Keep in mind I'm summarizing. Archaeologists have lots of different ways of determining ages, and they've been working on this stuff for decades. Unless someone presents contradictory evidence, I'm quite content to accept the evidence that I've seen, and the explainations offered.

Kosh

I think your terminology is a little out of date. These days, that practice is referred to as "eco-recycling".

mountainman

The same man was charged with perverting the Egyptian chronologies.
Off-hand, I dont recall who levels these charges at Eusebius, but I do
recall reading this. Perhaps someone knows who makes this claim of
the Eusebian chronology of the Egyptian antiquity.



Pete Brown

rob117

For Egyptian chronology, since astronomical records are so sparse, it seems, it would be difficult if not impossible to construct an absolute chronology that we can be confident of down to the year. We can, however, use calibrated carbon-14 dating to narrow down the date of artifacts to a margin of roughly 30 years. The pyramids have inscriptions telling us which pharaoh built them, and Assyrian and Babylonian synchronisms are a huge help, since astronomical records were meticulously kept in those civilizations; Babylonian chronology back to 747 BC (year 1 of Nabonassar) is fixed within a margin of less than a year, as is Assyrian chronology back to 911 BC (year 1 of Adad-nirari II); absolute dates are attained for Egypt basically via Assyrian and Babylonian synchronisms- Egyptian chronology itself is fixed, independent of any synchronisms, back to 690 BC (year 1 of Taharqa); from before this period exact dates are difficult; we have a few astronomic records, one of a partial eclipse dating to year 15 of Takelot II, the only real candidate for which is 822 BC; before that we have a record of lunar observations dating to year 52 of Rameses II, which, although these particular lunar phenomena take place every 25 years, in view of the cumulative regnal years of the pharaohs after him, was probably 1228 BC. A few other observations put the most likely date of the accession of Ahmose I, first pharaoh of the New Kingdom, at 1550 BC; before this we have only rough dates- any date you see for the Old or Middle Kingdom, you should allow for a margin of around 20 years. Still, in view of how long ago we're talking about, this is a very small margin.

Sven

May I ask where you got this information from?

rob117

Various sources- The Oxford History of Ancient Egypt (or via: amazon.co.uk), A History of the Ancient Near East: c. 3000-323 BC (or via: amazon.co.uk), various wikipedia articles, etc.