Amaleq13

This forum is for discussion of topics related to Biblical Criticism and History. If you have "nothing of value to share" in such discussions, then you are correct in thinking you are in the wrong place.

Perhaps The Lounge is where you want to work on your "personal growth"?

Johnny Skeptic

Certainly no more than you are since you said that you have no choice except to remain a Christian. How much more adamant could anyone be than that?

I do not have any objections to you wanting to strengthen your faith, but for purposes of this thread, how do you hope to strenghten your faith by discussing Adam and Eve? Since the Bible is the claimant, it is not up to skeptics to prove to your satisfaction that any premise in the story of Adam and Eve is faulty.

Why should skeptics help you strengthen your faith, especially since you have said that you do not have any choice except to remain a Christian? The Theology Web is primarily Christian. If a skeptic went there with the sole stated intention of strengthening his skepticism, and said that he had no choice except to remain a skeptic, what would you recommend that Christians at the Theology Web do? Why would they want to help an adamant skeptic strengthen his skepticism?

Are you not aware that you are strengthening the beliefs of every skeptic who has read your posts, and that none of the undecided crowd will accept your "faith only" argument? If you are actually saved, and never intend to give up Christianity under any circumstances, you will not be any more saved when you vacate this thread than you are now. However, if the God of the Bible exists, your presence at this forum might cause some nominal Christians to give up Christianity, or cause some undecided people who do not make posts to come to the conclusion that a "faith only" argument discredits Christianity, which in my opinion it does.

Am I correct that it is your intention to try to make skeptics the claimants by asking them to provide reasonable evidence of a faulty premise regarding the story of Adam and Eve?

sonofone

I've given a moments thought of strengthening or weakening anyones faith or beliefs.I also think it is very presumptuous to conclude that I have had that effect on everyone.You never know what shapes a persons beliefs,or what registers with a person.

I mean I get your point,but If the bible is true,which I contend it is.People are saved through the foolishness of preaching.So if I have become a fool in order that someone might hear the word and by hearing be saved,than a fool I shall be.

sonofone

Take a look at how many people have both viewed and made post on this topic since it was started.It has obviously sparked interest,if it had or has no value why not let it fizzle out like a lot of post with no interest or value do?

Amaleq13

None of which is relevant to the specific purpose of this forum and that of the others available to you. If this thread becomes primarily about a topic inappropriate for this forum, it will be moved or locked.

Just read the description of what is appropriate to each forum and attempt to adhere to it. Very simple.

sonofone

Well thanks for your input just the same.I'm willing to let this post go,as I intended to as of post #71 pg 3 and consider it a lesson learned.Thanks for the conversation,it was certainly worth the ride.:wave:

jeremyp

John or Mark?

Johnny Skeptic

Why was it worth ride? I hope that you read this post.

But I did not say "everyone." I just wanted you to consider the possible negative effects that might happen when nominal Christians and undecided people read your posts.

And if the Bible is false, which I contend it is, no one will be saved by reading your posts, so what do you recommend now for purposes of this thread? Please clearly state your intentions. Is it your sole intention to strenghten your faith? If so, why should skeptics help you strengthen your faith? The Theology Web is primarily Christian. If a skeptic went there with the sole stated intention of strengthening his skepticism, and said that he had no choice except to remain a skeptic, what would you recommend that Christians at the Theology Web do? Why would Christians at the Theology Web want to help an adamant skeptic strengthen his skepticism?

I believe that it would be more accurate to say that you are attempting to get skeptics to become the claimants by asking them to reasonably prove that there is a faulty premise, when in fact the Bible is the claimant, and it implies that God treated Adam and Eve fairly. Is my assessment correct?

Are you surprised when skeptics don't take kindly to conservative Christian claiming that God will send skeptics to hell for eternity without parole? Are you surprised when skeptics complain about God injuring and killing people and innocent animals with hurricanes? Would you be surprised if under certain different circumstances, you would not have been a Christian?

Do you really believe that it is not reasonable for skeptics to judge what God DOES, not who he IS? Under our legal system, no one is above the law. If the President of the United States commits murder he will be prosecuted just like anyone else would be prosecuted.

As Amaleq 13 said, this is the Biblical Criticism and History Forum. Obviously, the story of Adam and Eve does not pertain to Biblical Criticism and History.
Such being the case, I recommend that you start a new thread at the General Religious Discussions Forum.

angelo

We can discuss the allegorical meaning of the story, as a way of understanding the beliefs of those who wrote it.[/QUOTE] We know what these primitive people believed. They believed in a flat earth, with god's abode directly above, just out of sight. They believed in gods under every stone. They had no understanding of the awesome power of nature.
Actually, they believed god was right there with them, for as Genesis states, after Adam and Eve sinned, god was walking in the cool of the day in the garden, and couldn't find Adam. ''Adam where are you'' he asked. We are talking here about an ''all seeing, all knowing God don't forget. Yet he had no idea where Adam was, or that they ''had of the fruit of the tree of knowledge''
If that is not a primitive, savages idea of the nature of things, what is?

angelo

Way off topic I know. I once knew this very naive lady who used take an Aspirin after sex to prevent pregancy. She swore it worked after years of use.
The beliefs of some people are astonishing.