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Toto · 08-02-2012, 01:25 PM

For those on the JesusMysteries Yahoogroup it can be viewed here in pdf format, or a less well formatted version is available here.

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BART EHRMAN
AND
THE CHESHIRE CAT OF NAZARETH

By Frank R. Zindler

Dubitando enim ad inquisitionem venimus; inquirendo veritatem percipimus.
—Peter Abelard

When all that is left of a Cheshire cat is its grin, how can we be sure it is in fact the grin of a cat? To be sure, if we have watched a grinning cat disappear progressively until all we see is its grin, we can have some confidence that the aerial grin we perceive to remain is in fact that of a cat. As the grin further dissolves into the fog and mist of a perplexing day, however, it becomes harder and harder to determine if the motes that float before our eyes are still the remnants of the grin or just the random rubbish of polluted air. At some point, however, we will have to admit that the cat is gone—completely gone.

Worth reading.

Kosh · 08-02-2012, 04:21 PM

Wow.

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Dave31 · 08-02-2012, 05:27 PM

Here are a couple more blogs from the Zindler:

Jesus of where? A response by Frank Zindler to Bart Ehrman

Bart Ehrman and the Emperor's New Clothes

maryhelena · 08-03-2012, 05:26 AM

Interesting......38 BC the start of the Christian era......:constern01:

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............there is another oddity of history that seems somehow to relate to ‘the Historical Jesus’ and should have been investigated by Ehrman. This is the peculiar fact that Iberia for a long time used a calendrical system for which the commencement year corresponded to 38 BCE. According to an article in the on-line edition of The Catholic Encyclopedia,

Spain, with Portugal and Southern France, observed an era of its own long after the rest of Christendom had adopted that of Dionysius [Exiguus]. This era of Spain or of the Cæsars, commenced with 1 January, 38 B.C., and remained in force in the Kingdom of Castile and Leon till A.D. 1383, when a royal edict commanded the substitution of the Christian Era. In Portugal the change was not made till 1422. No satisfactory explanation has been found of the date from which this era started.

Wouldn’t it be reasonable to conclude that the Iberians and their neighbors on the north began their era on a date they took to be the year of Jesus’ birth? Remember, these were very Christian nations. Why would they so long resist the general ‘Christian Era’ of the rest of Europe unless they had reason to believe they had better information than did Dionysius Exiguus when he set the starting point for his Christian Era at what so long has been reckoned as the year AD 1? It certainly looks as though an important part of
Christendom believed that Jesus had been born 38 years ‘Before Christ'!

37 BC being the binding to a cross, crucifixion, execution, of the last King and High Priest of the Jews, Antigonus...

mountainman · 08-03-2012, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Dave31

Bart Ehrman and the Emperor's New Clothes

Zindler writes under the name of Hans Unchristian Anderson.

He does not mention a Roman Emperor.

But he does take Ehrman to task:

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"Ehrman is seeking evidence for the existence of Jesus of Nazareth. Mythicists are seeking evidence for the existence of Ehrman's evidence."

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Kosh Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Orions Belt Posts: 3,911	Wow. <save to evernote>

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Dave31 Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: USA Posts: 425	Here are a couple more blogs from the Zindler: Jesus of where? A response by Frank Zindler to Bart Ehrman Bart Ehrman and the Emperor's New Clothes

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