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Old 02-25-2012, 10:54 PM   #261
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You see this is just propaganda. Justin supposedly wrote a book thst no one quotes from. Even second hand.
There is nowhere in Justin a single statement about the texts used by Marcion or his own writings.
This is because there there weren't any.

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Who cares what he "says"? The fact is not a SINGLE word from a text or about a text of Marcion when they supposedly lived at the same time...
Again, your claim is totally erroneous. I have already shown that Justin Martyr did mention one of the fundamental the TEACHINGS of Marcion.

Please EXAMINE "First Apology" XXVI attributed to Justin.


Examine "Against Marcion" attributed to Ephraim the Syrian.
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These are two things from which the Marcionites have deflected, for they are not willing to call our Loerd 'the Maker,' nor (do they admit) that He was (sent) by the Maker...
Ephraim wrote three proses Against Marcion and did NOT ever state one single time that Marcion used the Pauline letters.

In the books attributed to Justin there is NO mention of Paul but mention of Marcion.
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Old 02-25-2012, 11:14 PM   #262
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You see this is just propaganda. Justin supposedly wrote a book thst no one quotes from. Even second hand.
There is nowhere in Justin a single statement about the texts used by Marcion or his own writings.
This is because there there weren't any....
Your claim is erroneous. You are just repeating the claims of others without invetigating the matter yourself.

It is the Pauline writings that did NOT exist during the time of Marcion.

Now, another apologetic source, Hippolytus, shows that Marcion did NOT use the Pauline writings but used Empedocles.

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When, therefore, Marcion or some one of his hounds barks against the Demiurge, and adduces reasons from a comparison of what is good and bad, we ought to say to them, that neither Paul the apostle nor Mark, he of the maimed finger, announced such (tenets).

For none of these (doctrines) has been written in the Gospel according to Mark. But (the real author of the system) is Empedocles, son of Meto, a native of Agrigentum. And (Marcion) despoiled this (philosopher), and imagined that up to the present would pass undetected his transference, under the same expressions, of the arrangement of his entire heresy from Sicily into the evangelical narratives...
We have three apologetic sources that did NOT mention the Pauline writings when they mentioned Marcion--Justin Martyr, Hippolytus and Ephraim the Syrian.

Justin Martyr appears to be corroborated by Hippolytus and Ephraim the Syrian.
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Why does this contradict what I said?
I know that Justin never mentions Paul .
And I also know that he does not quote a single thing from any alleged writings of Marcion.
But how could Justin be corroborated by anyone else when unlike them allegedly, he knows nothing of Paul? Or GMark or someone named Empedocles of several centuries earlier?
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Why does this contradict what I said?
I know that Justin never mentions Paul .
And I also know that he does not quote a single thing from any alleged writings of Marcion.
But how could Justin be corroborated by anyone else when unlike them allegedly, he knows nothing of Paul? Or GMark or someone named Empedocles of several centuries earlier?
Justin Martyr did Mention EMPEDOCLES. Justin Martyr is corroborated.

First Apology 18
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....and the opinions of your authors, Empedocles and Pythagoras, Plato and Socrates, and the pit of Homer, and the descent of Ulysses to inspect these things, and all that has been uttered of a like kind...
Justin Martyr appears to be very credible and does not appear to have fabricated any characters or events found in his writings.

The Pauline writers are the reverse. They were False witnesses of a resurrected Jesus because the dead rise NOT.
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OK, but he doesn't use Empedocles in relation to Marcion or Paul because Justin doesn't say anything about the texts used by Marcion, or anything about Paul like the others.

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Why does this contradict what I said?
I know that Justin never mentions Paul .
And I also know that he does not quote a single thing from any alleged writings of Marcion.
But how could Justin be corroborated by anyone else when unlike them allegedly, he knows nothing of Paul? Or GMark or someone named Empedocles of several centuries earlier?
Justin Martyr did Mention EMPEDOCLES. Justin Martyr is corroborated.

First Apology 18
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....and the opinions of your authors, Empedocles and Pythagoras, Plato and Socrates, and the pit of Homer, and the descent of Ulysses to inspect these things, and all that has been uttered of a like kind...
Justin Martyr appears to be very credible and doesut not appear to have fabricated any characters or events found in his writings.

The Pauline writers are the reverse. They were False witnesses of a resurrected Jesus because the dead rise NOT.
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