thentian

Well said! >< I discussed this earlier (my last post about it was #248) with dlb, but he abandoned the discussion without explanation. Let's see if you have better luck!

sschlichter

It says the women told no one because they were afraid. When they got over their initial fear, then they were no longer in this condition. It is impossible to interpret it as never telling anyone ever because Mark would not have been able to write it down. they did not tell while they were afraid.

Matthew skipped right over this pause. Luke, however, mentions the women coming out of it and then going to tell the disciples. Luk 24:8 Then the women remembered his words,. Lukes statement is confusing without knowing that the women first were not going to tell anyone. then, they remembered his words and ran to tell the disciples.

~Steve

thentian

It would of course be wanton to maintain that they never told anyone ever. However, can you in all honesty reconcile it with (Matthew 28:8) "And they departed quickly from the sepulchre with fear and great joy; and did run to bring his disciples word. "

sschlichter

The awkward-ness felt on my part is how Mark decided to end the story. His ending is supposed to dramatically leave it at that point with 'the rest is history' type ending. (this being the actual ending of Mark's gospel). Perhaps he has still not adapted to the reforms that came with christianity at the point of his writng and thought the womens testimony un-worthy of mention. (pure speculation).

It is later (according to most) that Matthew, Luke, John included more post-resurrection details. Matthew's detail say they left the sepulchre quickly, and ran to tell the disciples. It does not say they quickly ran to tell the disciples (ignoring any pause - but not contradicting it). Technically, the 'quickly' goes with leaving the sepulchre, not the running and telling. Matthew includes the fact that they were afraid but makes no mention of the results of the fear (a pause before running and telling). 'and ran to tell the disciples' is a separate thought.

Luke, perhaps having Mark's account in mind, mentions that the women remembered what the angel said and then ran to tell them. It is only the harmonization that makes Lukes statement logical because his narrative says nothing of forgetting, so why does he mention remembering? I think he does so to accomodate Mark's detail and ending.

I would agree that, in English anyway, Matt 28:8 and Mark 16:8 is awkward.

~Steve

sschlichter

I think this is the best objection raised so far and is worthy of discussion. I did not see it earlier.

James Brown

Are you equating the terms "because" with "for as long as"? That doesn't make sense.

dr lazer blast

you really are good at being illogical, not only have you ignored my above post you have created a strawman, even if mary was talking about the dead body it is still plausible.



funny how the realm of informal logic states that arguments from authority are fallacious.


another strawman and you have ignored my above post. She didn't believe the angels story so whether or not she heard Jesus was alive makes no difference if the story is unbelievable. Another failure

The joy came from hope of not seeing Jesus's body. Another strawman.


There is plenty of hope there. Just because she is crying does not mean she doesn't have hope. Your personal interpretations of the scripture are not a valid criticism here. Once again you have failed.

leaving you once again back at square 1

Doug Shaver

In referring to them as witnesses, it is implied that they are testifying to the same event. By definition, one event occurs at one time and in one place. Beyond that, I assume nothing.

I ask again: Am I being unreasonable if I think they contradict each other?

sschlichter

well, we know that it does not mean that they never told anyone for the rest of their lives. So, the silence is associated with some condition. It says right in the text that the silence is "because" of their fear. you cannot argue that their is no relationship between the silence and the fear.

Luke makes it clear that they later remembered and this is when they got over their fear. The did not tell anyone because of the fear that is now overcome. so they ran and told the disciples.

in short, yes.

Doug Shaver

Unless he was writing fiction. In that case, no problem.