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Old 02-13-2004, 05:53 PM   #41
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Gotsta go with the ones with the greatest firepower...the namesake of a currently lousy baseball team in my town.
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Old 02-13-2004, 09:22 PM   #42
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PIRATES!

Johnny Depp. Nuff said.
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[B]Trained knights were VERY strong and surprisingly nimble. There are records of knights doing handstands in their armor (forgot where I read that).[b]
strong yes, nimble, not so much... handstands is a little incredible for my tastes. From what i remember, knights always had assistants because most of them couldn't get back up if they fell over, or at least, not without great effort. IMO, one broomstick to put them off balance, then they're on the ground, and you have a nice wide range of finishing blow choices to exact before they can get back up again.
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If all it took was a brookstick (or better yet, a pole-arm) to defeat a knight, then the entire knightly class and the military dominance of heavy armored cavalry would never have come about: pole weapons were common enough to have nipped it at the bud if this were so.
safety in numbers, and chopping off peasants' heads ain't hard when you're up on a horse and swinging around a sword like there's no tomorrow.

the mongols on the other hand were quite good matches for knights, and all they were using was bow, arrow, and some leather/silk armour.
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Old 02-13-2004, 10:03 PM   #44
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I remember when I was between the ages of 8-13, I had this awesome pirate Halloween costume. Damn I miss that thing.
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strong yes, nimble, not so much... handstands is a little incredible for my tastes. From what i remember, knights always had assistants because most of them couldn't get back up if they fell over, or at least, not without great effort. IMO, one broomstick to put them off balance, then they're on the ground, and you have a nice wide range of finishing blow choices to exact before they can get back up again.
Actually, that's a myth. It's commonly believed, but a myth nonetheless.

Armour was always made so as to restrict the user's movement as little as possible. Otherwise, it would be suicidal to wear it into battle. Since the weight is distributed over your body, a person in good condition can run and jump while wearing armour, and he can get right back up again if he should fall.

I've seen a guy in full plate and chainmail do cartwheels to demonstrate just how much mobility well-made armour allowed its wearer.

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Ninjas are so unbelievably bad-ass that it makes my genitals hurt to think about it.
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Old 02-14-2004, 07:22 AM   #47
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Pandas . Every time.
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From what i remember, knights always had assistants because most of them couldn't get back up if they fell over, or at least, not without great effort.
I've heard this of samurai, who would often have to be winched onto their horses before a battle, so I wouldn't be surprised if it was also true of knights.
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true power doesn't stand a chance against Real Ultimate Power.

The purpose of the ninja is to flip out and kill people.
And how can you argue with that?

'Course, if the monkeys had been listed on the poll...
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strong yes, nimble, not so much... handstands is a little incredible for my tastes. From what i remember, knights always had assistants because most of them couldn't get back up if they fell over, or at least, not without great effort.
See the Lone Ranger's post, and this link.

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IMO, one broomstick to put them off balance, then they're on the ground, and you have a nice wide range of finishing blow choices to exact before they can get back up again.
Let's see how this works considering:

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safety in numbers, and chopping off peasants' heads ain't hard when you're up on a horse and swinging around a sword like there's no tomorrow.
So, all of a sudden, the broomstick KO is only a viable option if fully two-thirds of what made knights effective, their horses and their weapons, are taken away?

Cavalry horses were bred fierce. They could kill just by kicking and rearing, or by simple trampling. Even if you take away the horse, how likely is it that you can actually connect with your pole-arm? Unless your skill with a staff equals or surpasses that of the knight's skill with the sword, chances are he'll parry.

And even if he has niether horse nor blade, if he can catch the boomstick (possible) and pull it away (likely, unless you're stronger than the knight), you can expect a facefull of gauntlet.

(And s far as saftey in numbers goes, knights were the cream of the crop, the nobility. There were many more commoners with spears than there were knights.)

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the mongols on the other hand were quite good matches for knights, and all they were using was bow, arrow, and some leather/silk armour.
Exactly. They used the advantage of distance and mobility. Not broomsticks.

Bottom line: if knights were as easy to take out as you suggest, they wouldn't have been the standard of military comabt throughout the whole Middle Ages.
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