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Malachi151 · 02-27-2007, 02:11 PM

Assuming that this claim turns out not to be true, or turns out to be poorly supported, what is going to come of this?

Toto · 02-27-2007, 02:24 PM

This is pretty clearly not a fabrication, in the sense that the James Ossuary was a fake. The archeological evidence is there, and has not been tampered with.

But the conclusions are clearly not supported by the evidence, so no one will be forced to change their opinion.

S.C.Carlson · 02-27-2007, 02:25 PM

It'll be a forgettable blip.

LoungeHead · 02-27-2007, 04:31 PM

It will have mixed results. But ultimately I think it will bring challenges against Jesus as a Messiah into the wider public domain; rather than an interest only of radical fringe nutters like IIDB.

stuart shepherd · 02-27-2007, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by LoungeHead

It will have mixed results. But ultimately I think it will bring challenges against Jesus as a Messiah into the wider public domain; rather than an interest only of radical fringe nutters like IIDB.

Read "The Jesus Dynasty (or via: amazon.co.uk)" by James Tabor
James Tabor's book, has a lot of information on this tomb.
Tabor is a professor at North Carolina University and a Biblical Scholar.

Stuart Shepherd

Roger Pearse · 02-28-2007, 12:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Malachi151

Assuming that this claim turns out not to be true, or turns out to be poorly supported, what is going to come of this?

Mr Cameron will make money off the gullible christophobes. A few innocents will believe him until the next "Christianity not true" story comes along (about one every couple of years at the moment -- all different and contradictory, of course), various people will enjoy jeering at the Christians and mocking their lack of ability to do anything about this insult, and then everyone will forget all about it.

That's what happened the last few times.

All the best,

Roger Pearse

Jabu Khan · 02-28-2007, 12:52 AM

I voted other because I think a neognostic cult is coming.

CJD · 02-28-2007, 06:03 AM

Yeah, the lines are already drawn. No one will be swayed one way or the other. It may hurt the skeptics' cause though. Why? Such preposterous conclusions based on such flimsy evidence. Their agenda is just too blatant. It will leave a bad taste in many people's mouths.

Malachi151 · 02-28-2007, 06:25 AM

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Originally Posted by CJD

Yeah, the lines are already drawn. No one will be swayed one way or the other. It may hurt the skeptics' cause though. Why? Such preposterous conclusions based on such flimsy evidence. Their agenda is just too blatant. It will leave a bad taste in many people's mouths.

Agreed.

BTW, can someone fix the title on this thread

Yes

Ruhan · 02-28-2007, 09:04 AM

I have been reviewing the supporting documentation that came with the documentary and I have to concede that they are making a very strong case. The Patina result as well as the statistical analysis is quite convincing.

This is quite unique amongst all of the previous "discoveries" of this kind. The Christian reaction on the internet and these boards are an indication that this is quite unique.

Could this be the beginning of the end for Christianity? Possibly...

View Poll Results: Assuming that the "Jesus tomb" is not the "Jesus tomb", what will be the effect?
It will strengthen Christian faith	1	3.57%
It will hurt other scholarship that is critical of Christianity	7	25.00%
It will strengthen the "Jesus Myth" camp	2	7.14%
It will still open more debate on the origins of Christianity and have a positive critical effect	10	35.71%
Other	12	42.86%
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02-27-2007, 02:24 PM	#2
Toto Contributor Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Los Angeles area Posts: 40,549	This is pretty clearly not a fabrication, in the sense that the James Ossuary was a fake. The archeological evidence is there, and has not been tampered with. But the conclusions are clearly not supported by the evidence, so no one will be forced to change their opinion.

02-27-2007, 02:25 PM	#3
S.C.Carlson Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: USA Posts: 1,307	It'll be a forgettable blip.

02-27-2007, 04:31 PM	#4
LoungeHead Banned Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Aotearoa Posts: 3,483	It will have mixed results. But ultimately I think it will bring challenges against Jesus as a Messiah into the wider public domain; rather than an interest only of radical fringe nutters like IIDB.

02-28-2007, 12:52 AM	#7
Jabu Khan Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: the impenetrable fortress of the bubbleheads Posts: 1,308	I voted other because I think a neognostic cult is coming.

02-28-2007, 06:03 AM	#8
CJD Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: greater Orlando area Posts: 832	Yeah, the lines are already drawn. No one will be swayed one way or the other. It may hurt the skeptics' cause though. Why? Such preposterous conclusions based on such flimsy evidence. Their agenda is just too blatant. It will leave a bad taste in many people's mouths.

02-28-2007, 09:04 AM	#10
Ruhan Regular Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: London Posts: 176	I have been reviewing the supporting documentation that came with the documentary and I have to concede that they are making a very strong case. The Patina result as well as the statistical analysis is quite convincing. This is quite unique amongst all of the previous "discoveries" of this kind. The Christian reaction on the internet and these boards are an indication that this is quite unique. Could this be the beginning of the end for Christianity? Possibly...

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