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aa5874 · 10-12-2011, 09:55 AM

Let us NOT get distracted.

gMark is the PERFECT HJ argument killer.

1. In gMark, Jesus did NOT start any NEW religion under the name of Christ.

2. In gMark, Jesus Secretly wanted the Jews to remain in Sin.

3. In gMark, Jesus was a DECEIVER. He preached Good News and deliberately WITHHELD the Bad News.

4. In gMark, Jesus did NOT tell the Jews of the Destruction of the Temple and Jerusalem and of the AFFLICTION of the Jews.

5. In gMark, Jesus CONCEALED his IDENTITY from the Jews.

6. In gMark, Jesus died in Disgrace and abandoned.

gMark is the PERFECT HJ argument killer.

Jesus as an assumed man was NOT the Gospel. Jesus as an assumed man was NOT the Good News though it is claimed he did MANY WONDERFUL miracles.

It was the resurrected MYTH Jesus that gave the Final Great Commission after the disciples had ABANDONED and DENIED the assumed man.

It was the resurrected MYTH Jesus that COMMISSIONED the disciples to PREACH the GOOD NEWS throughout the world to every creature.

The resurrected MYTH Jesus was the Gospel in MARK 16.9-20.

The assumed man was BAD NEWS for the JEWS and his very own disciples.

J-D · 10-12-2011, 01:57 PM

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gMark is the perfect HJ argument killer.

HJers claim that their HJ of Nazareth was LIED upon and Embellished by his own disciples but when gMark is EXAMINED it was the Complete opposite.

The claims by HJers are unsubstantiated.

On the day Jesus died in gMark his disciples had ALREADY abandoned him and Peter, who INITIALLY claimed Jesus was Christ, DENIED IN PUBLIC and MULTIPLE TIMES that he ever knew Jesus.

In gMark, Jesus, even if assumed to be human, did many MARVELOUS miracles, FED thousands, walked on water, and TRANSFIGURED but on the day he was arrested his disciples FLED and Peter denied him.

There is ZERO evidence in gMark that the disciples of Jesus embellished him AFTER he was ARRESTED and died.

There is written evidence of DENIAL and ABANDONMENT in gMark.

There is ZERO evidence in gMark that the visitors to the tomb embellished Jesus AFTER his body was MISSING from the tomb.

There is written evidence that the visitors FLED DUMBSTRUCK and did NOT say anything to anyone.

The Jesus story in Sinaiticus gMark, even if assumed to be history, ENDED in ABANDONMENT, DENIALS, and REJECTION.

gMark is the PERFECT HJ argument killer.

A story which ends at a given point does not directly demonstrate what happened after that point.

Horatio Parker · 10-12-2011, 02:21 PM

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Because it’s fiction. And the issue of if Jesus could walk through a rock did not occur to the author of Mark 16:4 at the time he wrote it.

Now if Matthew was comfortable with Mark’s depiction then why did he change it?

And why should John or Matthew even count at all when we are considering Mark 16:4?

I go with Solo on this.

Incidents like this are demonstrations of the intelligible universe. It's an analogy demonstrating that the invisible world, ie the Kingdom of God, is more powerful and hence more important to our lives than the world.

1st century writers didn't think of fiction in the sense that we do. For them, the educative morals were the ultimate truth.

aa5874 · 10-12-2011, 02:32 PM

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The Jesus story in Sinaiticus gMark, even if assumed to be history, ENDED in ABANDONMENT, DENIALS, and REJECTION...

A story which ends at a given point does not directly demonstrate what happened after that point.

The Jesus story in Sinaiticus gMark, even if assumed to be history, ENDED in ABANDONMENT, DENIALS, and REJECTION at MARK 16.8

Please DIRECTLY demonstrate what happened AFTER that point.

aa5874 · 10-12-2011, 02:45 PM

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1st century writers didn't think of fiction in the sense that we do. For them, the educative morals were the ultimate truth.

You assertion is erroneous. In the same sense as we do today, Church writers did accuse people of LYING or writing fiction when they claimed Jesus was an ordinary man.

Bingo the Clown-O · 10-12-2011, 03:13 PM

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In Mark and Matthew Jesus walks on water, no ? Why would he not be able to walk through solid matter ?

Because of something called Cartoon Physics.

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Cartoon physics is a jocular system of laws of physics that supersedes the normal laws, used in animation for humorous effect. Normal physical laws are referential (i.e., objective, invariant), but cartoon physics are preferential (i.e., subjective, varying).

Examples

Any body suspended in space will remain in space until made aware of its situation. Then the regular laws of gravity take over.
Any body passing through solid matter will leave a perforation conforming to its perimeter.
Certain bodies can pass through solid walls painted to resemble tunnel entrances; others cannot.
All principles of gravity are negated by fear.

In Mark and Matthew Jesus dies an agonizing death on the cross, no?

Q: Why would he not be able to climb down off his cross and punch out the bad guys?

A: Because it’s fiction.

Bingo the Clown-O · 10-12-2011, 03:22 PM

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I go with Solo on this.

Hence.

Hence, hence, hence.

Deep inner truths.

How profound.

Hence, hence.

:Cheeky:

Bingo the Clown-O · 10-12-2011, 03:24 PM

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Let us NOT get distracted.

Sorry.

I was just clowning around.

I guess I got carried away.

J-D · 10-12-2011, 03:43 PM

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The Jesus story in Sinaiticus gMark, even if assumed to be history, ENDED in ABANDONMENT, DENIALS, and REJECTION...

A story which ends at a given point does not directly demonstrate what happened after that point.

The Jesus story in Sinaiticus gMark, even if assumed to be history, ENDED in ABANDONMENT, DENIALS, and REJECTION at MARK 16.8

Please DIRECTLY demonstrate what happened AFTER that point.

I haven't expressed a view about what happened after that point; you have; so, YOU please directly demonstrate what happened.

aa5874 · 10-12-2011, 04:19 PM

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The Jesus story in Sinaiticus gMark, even if assumed to be history, ENDED in ABANDONMENT, DENIALS, and REJECTION at MARK 16.8

Please DIRECTLY demonstrate what happened AFTER that point.

I haven't expressed a view about what happened after that point; you have; so, YOU please directly demonstrate what happened.

Sinaiticus gMark ENDS at Mark 16.8 where about 3 days earlier the disciples ABANDONED Jesus when he was arrested, Peter DENIED three times that he knew Jesus and he was REJECTED as the Messiah and Son of the Blessed and was later crucified.

And in addition, at the very last verse of Sinaiticus gMark, the visitors FLED DUMBSTRUCK from the EMPTY tomb.

gMark is the Perfect HJ argument killer.

Sinaiticus Jesus was a DISASTER, BAD NEWS at the END.

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aa5874 Contributor Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: the fringe of the caribbean Posts: 18,988	Let us NOT get distracted. gMark is the PERFECT HJ argument killer. 1. In gMark, Jesus did NOT start any NEW religion under the name of Christ. 2. In gMark, Jesus Secretly wanted the Jews to remain in Sin. 3. In gMark, Jesus was a DECEIVER. He preached Good News and deliberately WITHHELD the Bad News. 4. In gMark, Jesus did NOT tell the Jews of the Destruction of the Temple and Jerusalem and of the AFFLICTION of the Jews. 5. In gMark, Jesus CONCEALED his IDENTITY from the Jews. 6. In gMark, Jesus died in Disgrace and abandoned. gMark is the PERFECT HJ argument killer. Jesus as an assumed man was NOT the Gospel. Jesus as an assumed man was NOT the Good News though it is claimed he did MANY WONDERFUL miracles. It was the resurrected MYTH Jesus that gave the Final Great Commission after the disciples had ABANDONED and DENIED the assumed man. It was the resurrected MYTH Jesus that COMMISSIONED the disciples to PREACH the GOOD NEWS throughout the world to every creature. The resurrected MYTH Jesus was the Gospel in MARK 16.9-20. The assumed man was BAD NEWS for the JEWS and his very own disciples.

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