Newton Joseph

ABOUT HOMOSEXUALITY
By Newton
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You Christians who are clucking amongst yourselves about the sin of homosexuality are not very educated. I don’t think there is one Christian in a million who ever cracked a book on the subject. All you do is pass your ignorance and prejudices about the subject onto others, and they in turn will do the same.

Well friends, let me give you a brief history and some information on the subject. First off, those who scream the loudest about homosexuality are often the ones who have some kind of kinky sex. You talk about the immorality of homosexuals, ignoring your own immorality by causing pain and suffering; not only of the homosexual, but the pain of their parents. Take homosexuality out of the realm of morals. It has nothing to do with immorality. (Oh, I forgot those Christians who do not change their missionary position). You are not the judge of how a man should achieve orgasm. There is good evidence that many male children as early as 12 or 13 are aware that they are somehow different long before they ever give sex a thought. They feel good in the company of little girls the same age and are interested in the same things. There is good evidence that the brain of a homosexual is different from one that is heterosexual. There is a window of time when the brain of the fetus is developing in the womb. The amount of testosterone that is manufactured in the brain determines if a clitoris or a penis will form. At a critical time, up to one day after birth, if there is not enough testosterone in the brain, the window will close forever and he will have a female brain.

In the sexuality of a woman, her vagina is so constructed that it wants to be penetrated and the sensation of being filled, just like a an erect penis wants the feeling of being surrounded with the muscles in the woman’s vagina. The homosexual man has only his anus to offer for penetration. Homosexual men are engaging in natural sex with other homosexual men just as a heterosexual male engages in natural heterosexual sex with a heterosexual woman.

In my 20 years of practice as a psychotherapist, I have counseled many homosexuals. There was only one young man, Larry, who was in his early twenties and really felt good about his homosexuality. Dan, on the other hand, hated himself for being homosexual. Dan was very intrigued by this short essay and had a sense of relief. Many struggled with self-hate. I had felt their pain and suffering. Generally, I like gay men. There was one I did not like a full-blooded American Indian. He did not like me either and after about three sessions he saw me in a very distorted way, which I assume affects all of his relationships. There are homosexuals that transcend every race, culture, nationality and epoch of time. If my explanation of homosexuality still leaves you condemning homosexuals, as being immoral, as a psychotherapist, I suggest you seek professional help. Take your mind off homosexuals and get a life of your own.

fallingblood

Newton Joseph- I think that is a great post. I agree with it.

I find many christians to be selective hypocrites. They say that you aren't supposed to be gay, but yet many eat pork, which the bible forbids.
Leviticus 11:7-8 And the pig, though it has a split hoof completely divided, does not chew the cud; it is unclean for you. You must not eat their meat or touch their carcasses; they are unclean for you.

And the thing is, I don't agree with the homosexual life style. But I have friends who are gay and they are very nice people. I find nothing wrong with them at all.

seebs

There's some stuff you said there that I tend to agree with, although I think there's a few fairly broad assertions in it that I'm not sure are supported.

There are a couple of arguments which, given the premises of the Christian faith, might seem persuasive. There are many which are very poor, even granting their premises.

To be concrete, the "missionary position" thing is not part of Christianity in general; it's a fairly isolated belief, and very few churches have taken it seriously.

Anyway... I have come to the conclusion that any condemnation of homosexuality requires a number of additional assumptions not inherent to Christianity, and I don't think they hold up under examination.

Hyndis

Would someone please tell me what the heck this mysterious "homosexual life style" thing is?

I'm gay, but as far as I can tell I live exactly the same way as everyone else does. I pay bills, I take lots of classes (full time student right now), I eat food when I'm hungry, I exercise, I slave away to take care of my cats, and so forth.

Interestingly enough, I'm actually somewhat effeminite. Mentally, that is. Physically, I'm quite male and don't have any problem at all with that. But I'm good both with spatial and communication things.

But I'm also bisexual (which is gay, plus a bit of something extra...but its still gay in the books of most True Christians), so perhaps thats why I'm a bit andryogenous in the head.


In any case, to those various bigots who use religion as their rationale...

"God made me gay. Who are you to argue with god's plan?"

Biff the unclean

How strange that century after century after century Christians have put vile sodomites to the torch. Now all of a sudden it's not Christianity. You would have thought that if God had sent down a new revelation they would have reported it on CNN

diana

Thanks for that question, Hyndis. I was wondering the same thing.

Please expand on what "the homosexual lifestyle" is, fallingblood. What is it about it that you don't agree with, exactly--particularly when you note how nice your homosexual friends are and that you find nothing wrong with them at all. I'm confused.

I've heard this before, and it always strikes me as a very indistinct line to draw, to say the least. Sometimes I think that's just some people's way of saying, "but it isn't for me." Is this what you mean?

Or does it mean, "I think what their consensual sex is depraved" (but otherwise, they seem like nice folk)?

I really don't understand what this means. Please help. Thanks.

d

diana

Hi seebs.

I agree the missionary position isn't dictated by the bible. However, it's fairly simple to support the doctrine that any sex that can't possibly produce offspring is evil*. I'd like to add, in the name of fairness, that most Christians I've known (and know) have no problem condoning whatever they want to practice themselves while condemning those things that are already distasteful to them, so it isn't surprising in any discussion that "very few churches take X seriously."

* Of course, most Christians have reasons to dismiss the scriptures that would condemn, say, a blowjob, if they themselves are fond of the practice. Natch.

d

seebs

It is, but it very much requires a piece of theology which I find deeply questionable, and which is mostly held by Catholics. The underlying "sex is specifically for procreation, and mustn't be separated from it" theory is, frankly, very questionable. If we really thought that way, we'd be opposed to artificial sweeteners, which separate the gustatory and nutritive aspects of food.

Indeed. I try very hard not to condemn things merely because I find them personally distasteful.

Well, the thing is, there aren't any. All that stuff is built up from extrabiblical theology humans have invented in the intervening millennia.

seebs

I can help, some. Not much.

Basically, the thing is this: The group "homosexuals" is a group defined entirely by sexuality. People commit a fallacy of division and infer that homosexuals, as individuals, are defined entirely by sexuality. Add a few (sometimes, perhaps, rooted however distantly in things which actually happened) stereotypes about promiscuous gay men, and you have "the homosexual lifestyle" - a style of life which revolves around promiscuous gay sex.

This is never adequately or clearly defined. People talk about "coming out of the lifestyle", but it always turns out that what they're doing is no more changing sexuality than it is when a slutty girl settles down and gets married. She's still sleeping with a male body every night, it's just always the same one.

Hyndis

So, the "homosexual lifestyle" is just that gay people happen to like people of the same gender, and the "heterosexual lifestyle" is where heterosexual people like people of the opposite gender?

Is it just me, or is that term just plain dumb?