The Evil One

You keep raising this defence - "God didn't do it, it happened naturally".

rhutchin, will you please get it through your head that if God created the world then "it happens naturally" = "god did it".

I am astonished at your inability to comprehend your own worldview.

Johnny Skeptic

If the Bible is true, genetics were supernaturally created, not naturally created. Through genetics, God has ensured that everyone must commit sins at least some of the time.

How is a baby responsible for getting injured or dying in a car accident? How would you be responsible for getting injured or killed in a car accident that was not your fault? How is a baby responsible for getting injured of killed in a hurricance? How are innocent animals responsible for getting injured or killed in a hurricane?

From a fundamentalist Christian perspective, it all goes back to the garden of Eden, and whether or not it was fair and necessary for God to create the awful world that we live in because Adam and Eve ate some fruit that they were not supposed to eat. Rational minded and fair minded people know that if the God of the Bible exists, the awful world that we live in is not fair and necessary towards the achievement of any reasonable goal on God's part.

First of all, it has not been reasonably established that there are any risks. Naturalism is an unproven but reasonable possibility. If you wish to debate this issue, I suggest that you start a new thread at the Evolution/Creation Forum, or participate in an existing thread. That should keep you busy for at least a few years. Second of all, if an intelligent being created the universe, and inspired the writing of the Bible, the odds are no better than even that he is not an evil imposter. Jesus said that in order for a man to become saved, he must love God with all of his heart, soul, and mind. A relationship like that is not possible based upon no better than even odds. Paul says that Satan masquerades as an angel of light, but there is no way that Paul could have determined which supernatural beings tell the truth, and which tell lies. Third of all, possible consequences do not have anything whatsoever to do with whether or not a person is able to will himself to love God, or another person. No one can convince someone to love him based upon threats alone. The character of God is the main issue, not the character of humans.

aa5874

Well, you should show us what you are seeing.

I was once a believer and now as an unbeliever I see the same genocidal, unintelligent God, fabricated by unknown authors.

Johnny Skeptic

Well, it looks like rhutchin has conveniently given up on yet another one of the threads that he started at the IIDB.